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The Sex Pistols reunion has more original members back than Oasis (assuming its only Liam and Noel), Steve Jones, Paul Cook, and Glenn Matlock reform with Frank Carter on vocals, but there is virtually no press about this. I would much rather see them than Oasis and they are playing small venues.

They did re-form in the early 2000s for a few gigs. I do find it a sad sight to see old geezers acting punk or acting rebelous. Sex Pistols were manufactured just like The Monkees. Sid couldn't even play a bassline.

Saying that Sham 69 are still going so credit to them. Richard Jobson is still touring but not with orginal Skids members.

Green Man wrote:
They did re-form in the early 2000s for a few gigs. I do find it a sad sight to see old geezers acting punk or acting rebelous. Sex Pistols were manufactured just like The Monkees. Sid couldn't even play a bassline.

Saying that Sham 69 are still going so credit to them. Richard Jobson is still touring but not with orginal Skids members.

Sid didn't NEED to be able to play the bassline!

Green Man wrote:
They did re-form in the early 2000s for a few gigs. I do find it a sad sight to see old geezers acting punk or acting rebelous. Sex Pistols were manufactured just like The Monkees. Sid couldn't even play a bassline.

Saying that Sham 69 are still going so credit to them. Richard Jobson is still touring but not with orginal Skids members.


Much earlier than that.

Are you thinking of the Filthy Lucre tour they did in the summer of 1996?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filthy_Lucre_Tour


Regards Sham 69, there was an edition of TOTP 1978 shown around late July on BBC Four to match up with the week back in '78 and Sham 69 kicked it off with a fabulous performance of If The Kids Are United. I could feel the energy and excitement even now as I watched it. I may well have seen it at the time but it would have passed me by, at the age of 9 I was more interested in the music of Grease that summer and obsessed by it. About a week later I heard Johnnie Walker play the same Sham 69 song on Radio 2 and must have repeated it about half a dozen times on BBC Sounds thereafter.

When will we ever get some music explosion that is as exciting again. Don't say never, why shouldn't we. Although I have a 16 year old nephew who has no real interest in any music, hasn't ever bought any or streamed/downloaded much music, if any, doesn't listen to any and has no favourite singers or bands. That would have been unthinkable when I was 16 when everyone was obsessed by music and what was happening. Think about how topsy turvy that is, a teenager with no music interest yet a fifty something still well into plenty of it and listening to it as much as possible and no different to my own 16 year old self in the 80's.

I was thinking about the 2002 Crystal Palace thing. A friend went with his son. I did buy the new Pistols compilation at that time mainly for Silly Thing, which is my favourite Sex Pistols song.

https://www.rebellionfestivals.com/line-up

Yeah I remember the filthy Lucre tour of 96, although I didn't see it. I remember England footballer Stuart Pearce who is a big punk fan was introduced on stage by the Sex Pistols during the Euro 96 tournament.

Lots of the punk bands are still going and attend the Rebellion festival every year. Some of them only having one original member remaining and lead singers left like the Undertones.

The Sex Pistols had a few good tracks ("Holidays in the Sun", "God Save the Queen", "Pretty Vacant", and "Anarchy in the UK"). However they became a cartoon band once Glenn Matlock left and Sid joined, who John Lydon called one of the least talented people he has ever met.

The music of the Pistols was never meant to endure was it. But here we are with many of those tracks mentioned in the last comment still well known and heard frequently and John Lydon now I think fair to say considered a national treasure. I listen to the Friday Rock Show on Radio 2 most weeks and Pretty Vacant was played on that and even the name of their album was said aloud in full with the word bollocks. BBC compliance obviously allowed one single use of the word. So we now have 80 year old presenters on Radio 2 playing punk rock late at night. How mad would that have once sounded.

robbiex wrote:
https://www.rebellionfestivals.com/line-up

Yeah I remember the filthy Lucre tour of 96, although I didn't see it. I remember England footballer Stuart Pearce who is a big punk fan was introduced on stage by the Sex Pistols during the Euro 96 tournament.

Lots of the punk bands are still going and attend the Rebellion festival every year. Some of them only having one original member remaining and lead singers left like the Undertones.

The Sex Pistols had a few good tracks ("Holidays in the Sun", "God Save the Queen", "Pretty Vacant", and "Anarchy in the UK"). However they became a cartoon band once Glenn Matlock left and Sid joined, who John Lydon called one of the least talented people he has ever met.


That list is very nostalgic at that festival Robbie. Punk has never been my bag apart from the odd songs. I loved how Lydon mentioned he liked Van Der Graff Generator in an interview, which made things awkward for Virgin, who was trying to create the wild punk image for the Pistols.

There is nothing wild or punkish about Van Der Graff same with Magma. It was the time that punk and rock fans didn't mix. When Lindisfarne toured with Genesis, they didn't mingle much until Peter Gabriel made the first move. Lindisfarne were smoking pot, Genesis was looking out the window sightseeing and taking photos with fancy cameras.

I am sure our Wyot has probably shared the odd joint with Steve Davis who is the ultimate prog-rock and a pot-head.
fan.

Green Man wrote:
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I am sure our Wyot has probably shared the odd joint with Steve Davis who is the ultimate prog-rock and a pot-head.
fan.

I think (without Lydon) there is a fine line between a "reunion" and a cover band here. Yes I would take prog over punk any day (exciting for a few seconds then just one thing over and over). A joint with Steve Davis sounds, interesting.

The Sex Pistols (and Lydon) made some great pop records.

Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
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I am sure our Wyot has probably shared the odd joint with Steve Davis who is the ultimate prog-rock and a pot-head.
fan.

I think (without Lydon) there is a fine line between a "reunion" and a cover band here. Yes I would take prog over punk any day (exciting for a few seconds then just one thing over and over). A joint with Steve Davis sounds, interesting.

I am probably in the minority but when Lydon left the Sex Pistols, I found them decent to some extent. I agree that punk sounds exciting for a few seconds then you hear the singer or some crap lyrics. You never hear a decent bridge in punk. I do love New Wave though.

Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
[b]

I am sure our Wyot has probably shared the odd joint with Steve Davis who is the ultimate prog-rock and a pot-head.
fan.

I think (without Lydon) there is a fine line between a "reunion" and a cover band here. Yes I would take prog over punk any day (exciting for a few seconds then just one thing over and over). A joint with Steve Davis sounds, interesting.

I am probably in the minority but when Lydon left the Sex Pistols, I found them decent to some extent. I agree that punk sounds exciting for a few seconds then you hear the singer or some crap lyrics. You never hear a decent bridge in punk. I do love New Wave though.

Probably in a minroity of one. Which songs did you prefer after Lydon left? Frigging in the rigging? My Own Way. The sex pistols is John Lydon. I'd take punk everyday over prog rock, which I thought was pretentious rubbish. Can you give me a list of all of Magma's top ten singles?

JK2006 wrote:
The Sex Pistols (and Lydon) made some great pop records.

I am not a PIL fan but Rise is a superb song. Lydon could sing when he wanted to.

robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
[b]

I am sure our Wyot has probably shared the odd joint with Steve Davis who is the ultimate prog-rock and a pot-head.
fan.

I think (without Lydon) there is a fine line between a "reunion" and a cover band here. Yes I would take prog over punk any day (exciting for a few seconds then just one thing over and over). A joint with Steve Davis sounds, interesting.

I am probably in the minority but when Lydon left the Sex Pistols, I found them decent to some extent. I agree that punk sounds exciting for a few seconds then you hear the singer or some crap lyrics. You never hear a decent bridge in punk. I do love New Wave though.

Probably in a minroity of one. Which songs did you prefer after Lydon left? Frigging in the rigging? My Own Way. The sex pistols is John Lydon. I'd take punk everyday over prog rock, which I thought was pretentious rubbish. Can you give me a list of all of Magma's top ten singles?

I like My Way didn't like Frigging The Frigging. I am not lover of jokey songs like that. I did like Rock N Roll Swindle and No One Is Innocent. Prog Rock was never about singles but the albums.

In what way is Prog Rock pretentious? I find nearly all pop music pretentious and conspicuous.

The pretentious thing is interesting and so easily thrown about - what exactly are these prog bands supposed to be pretending to be?

They are what they are: interested in a complex sonic landscape and poetic and allusive lyrics. Some people desire and enjoy more complex long form music.

Why can't we just say that we like or don't like something; rather than having to box different tastes away..?

I was at the Nottingham gig at Rock City last Friday night with the young Frank Carter doing the Johnny Rotten bit. While he was great it was a bit odd knowing he wasn't even born until long after the original punk era and Sex Pistols had been and gone. I can imagine it would have been even more electifying if Johnny had been back as a part of the gigs in the lead role. Ever feel you've been cheated he once said, not me but someone showed up and felt very cheated because they'd somehow managed to get tickets and not notice he wasn't there this time.

Will wrote:
I was at the Nottingham gig at Rock City last Friday night with the young Frank Carter doing the Johnny Rotten bit. While he was great it was a bit odd knowing he wasn't even born until long after the original punk era and Sex Pistols had been and gone. I can imagine it would have been even more electifying if Johnny had been back as a part of the gigs in the lead role. Ever feel you've been cheated he once said, not me but someone showed up and felt very cheated because they'd somehow managed to get tickets and not notice he wasn't there this time.

I did some clips of Frank Carter, IMHO he should find his own poses, dancing and expressions than trying to be a carbon copy of Lydon.

Wyot wrote:
The pretentious thing is interesting and so easily thrown about - what exactly are these prog bands supposed to be pretending to be?

They are what they are: interested in a complex sonic landscape and poetic and allusive lyrics. Some people desire and enjoy more complex long form music.

Why can't we just say that we like or don't like something; rather than having to box different tastes away..?

Wonderfully put Wyot, you have summed a lot of Yes and Caravan albums.

JK2006 wrote:
The Sex Pistols (and Lydon) made some great pop records.


I wonder if you would have fancied managing them circa 1976-77 given a chance?

Nope never managed anybody except myself - badly! Bill Drummond asked me to manage KLF - I was flattered (we have similsr senses of humour). McClaren told me the whole Sex Pistols idea came from my early 1970s label success.