honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
andrew wrote:
In The Know wrote:
she says "I ended up accumulating arrears through no fault of my own."

then whose bloody fault is it ???

Some people are generally too ill to work but getting in debt is easy to avoid on benefits.

On carers allowance and on joint UC and missus gets her DLA. We just get by each month with planning and care budgeting. We have no broadband or a Sky or cable package.

As ITK says live within your means and make your own meals.

With respect, Andrew, you get a hell of a lot more if somebody in the household has disability benefit.
You say you are "getting by" at the moment. Imagine if you had less than half the amount and without budgeting and cookery skills?

We always pay the rent first followed by gas and electric meters. When it comes to food we both plan by looking what money is left write up a shopping list on each day. Then think what we can make meals out off orc we can make.

When I was on my own after my ex...guess what I still got by its survival money. My ex caused her the problems as she was wasted the money.

andrew wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
andrew wrote:
In The Know wrote:
she says "I ended up accumulating arrears through no fault of my own."

then whose bloody fault is it ???

Some people are generally too ill to work but getting in debt is easy to avoid on benefits.

On carers allowance and on joint UC and missus gets her DLA. We just get by each month with planning and care budgeting. We have no broadband or a Sky or cable package.

As ITK says live within your means and make your own meals.

With respect, Andrew, you get a hell of a lot more if somebody in the household has disability benefit.
You say you are "getting by" at the moment. Imagine if you had less than half the amount and without budgeting and cookery skills?

We always pay the rent first followed by gas and electric meters. When it comes to food we both plan by looking what money is left write up a shopping list on each day. Then think what we can make meals out off orc we can make.

When I was on my own after my ex...guess what I still got by its survival money. My ex caused her the problems as she was wasted the money.

But not everyone has your skills or intelligence.

I am astounded that so many think it doesn't matter that people are without money for weeks, and that it is reasonable for working people to have their claim stopped whenever there are five weeks in a month, so they have to make a new claim. Four times a year!
Apart from the deliberate cruelty, how can anyone pretend it is efficient?

Here it is, from the government blurb thing....
QUOTE
8. If you’re paid weekly
If you’re paid weekly by your employer, you will get either 4 or 5 payments of earnings within a Universal Credit assessment period. Depending on the amount you get paid this may affect your Universal Credit.

When you have 5 weekly earnings payments within an assessment period, your income may be too high to qualify for Universal Credit in that month.

If this happens you will be notified that your income is too high and you will no longer get Universal Credit.

You can re-apply the following month as you should only get 4 wage payments in your assessment period then.

You will need to be prepared for a month when you get 5 wage payments in one assessment period and budget for a potential change in your monthly Universal Credit payments.

Find out what you need to do if you need to start your Universal Credit claim again within 6 months of your previous claim ending. For example, because you’ve received more earnings in an assessment period than usual.
END QUOTE.

You couldn't make it up.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
andrew wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
andrew wrote:
In The Know wrote:
she says "I ended up accumulating arrears through no fault of my own."

then whose bloody fault is it ???

Some people are generally too ill to work but getting in debt is easy to avoid on benefits.

On carers allowance and on joint UC and missus gets her DLA. We just get by each month with planning and care budgeting. We have no broadband or a Sky or cable package.

As ITK says live within your means and make your own meals.

With respect, Andrew, you get a hell of a lot more if somebody in the household has disability benefit.
You say you are "getting by" at the moment. Imagine if you had less than half the amount and without budgeting and cookery skills?

We always pay the rent first followed by gas and electric meters. When it comes to food we both plan by looking what money is left write up a shopping list on each day. Then think what we can make meals out off orc we can make.

When I was on my own after my ex...guess what I still got by its survival money. My ex caused her the problems as she was wasted the money.

But not everyone has your skills or intelligence.

I am astounded that so many think it doesn't matter that people are without money for weeks, and that it is reasonable for working people to have their claim stopped whenever there are five weeks in a month, so they have to make a new claim. Four times a year!
Apart from the deliberate cruelty, how can anyone pretend it is efficient?

Here it is, from the government blurb thing....
QUOTE
8. If you’re paid weekly
If you’re paid weekly by your employer, you will get either 4 or 5 payments of earnings within a Universal Credit assessment period. Depending on the amount you get paid this may affect your Universal Credit.

When you have 5 weekly earnings payments within an assessment period, your income may be too high to qualify for Universal Credit in that month.

If this happens you will be notified that your income is too high and you will no longer get Universal Credit.

You can re-apply the following month as you should only get 4 wage payments in your assessment period then.

You will need to be prepared for a month when you get 5 wage payments in one assessment period and budget for a potential change in your monthly Universal Credit payments.

Find out what you need to do if you need to start your Universal Credit claim again within 6 months of your previous claim ending. For example, because you’ve received more earnings in an assessment period than usual.
END QUOTE.

You couldn't make it up. .
Then if you're paid weekly that should be enough to tie you over till the get UC.

I'm with ITK.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
I am astounded that so many think it doesn't matter that people are without money for weeks

... but they are not !

They are all on the fiddle and earning in others ways.

As for the rest of your post .... UC is intended to bring people into the real world ... pay them monthly (like a salary) and get them used to the idea if - if only !!!! - they ever get a job (unlike the recent Daily Mirror claimant - see above - who has been scrounging for 23 years !!!!)

andrew wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
andrew wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
andrew wrote:
In The Know wrote:
she says "I ended up accumulating arrears through no fault of my own."

then whose bloody fault is it ???

Some people are generally too ill to work but getting in debt is easy to avoid on benefits.

On carers allowance and on joint UC and missus gets her DLA. We just get by each month with planning and care budgeting. We have no broadband or a Sky or cable package.

As ITK says live within your means and make your own meals.

With respect, Andrew, you get a hell of a lot more if somebody in the household has disability benefit.
You say you are "getting by" at the moment. Imagine if you had less than half the amount and without budgeting and cookery skills?

We always pay the rent first followed by gas and electric meters. When it comes to food we both plan by looking what money is left write up a shopping list on each day. Then think what we can make meals out off orc we can make.

When I was on my own after my ex...guess what I still got by its survival money. My ex caused her the problems as she was wasted the money.

But not everyone has your skills or intelligence.

I am astounded that so many think it doesn't matter that people are without money for weeks, and that it is reasonable for working people to have their claim stopped whenever there are five weeks in a month, so they have to make a new claim. Four times a year!
Apart from the deliberate cruelty, how can anyone pretend it is efficient?

Here it is, from the government blurb thing....
QUOTE
8. If you’re paid weekly
If you’re paid weekly by your employer, you will get either 4 or 5 payments of earnings within a Universal Credit assessment period. Depending on the amount you get paid this may affect your Universal Credit.

When you have 5 weekly earnings payments within an assessment period, your income may be too high to qualify for Universal Credit in that month.

If this happens you will be notified that your income is too high and you will no longer get Universal Credit.

You can re-apply the following month as you should only get 4 wage payments in your assessment period then.

You will need to be prepared for a month when you get 5 wage payments in one assessment period and budget for a potential change in your monthly Universal Credit payments.

Find out what you need to do if you need to start your Universal Credit claim again within 6 months of your previous claim ending. For example, because you’ve received more earnings in an assessment period than usual.
END QUOTE.

You couldn't make it up. .
Then if you're paid weekly that should be enough to tie you over till the get UC.

I'm with ITK.

No, its the people who are paid monthly who are hit by it. They are given money because they dont have enough to live on, yet have to manage because the people running the country "cant" work out a system that can cope with five week months. (of course they can. It is simply bullying.)

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
I am astounded that so many think it doesn't matter that people are without money for weeks

... but they are not !

They are all on the fiddle and earning in others ways.

As for the rest of your post .... UC is intended to bring people into the real world ... pay them monthly (like a salary) and get them used to the idea if - if only !!!! - they ever get a job (unlike the recent Daily Mirror claimant - see above - who has been scrounging for 23 years !!!!)

They are not all on the fiddle, but having no money at all will force many into crime.

If you want to stamp out fraud (who doesn't?) then target the fraudsters and change the system. Don't behave like savages and leave vulnerable people in pain.
In a decent society the strong help the weak. We need to ensure that everyone who is able is pulling their weight, and take care of those who cant.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
If you want to stamp out fraud (who doesn't?) then target the fraudsters and change the system.

we ARE changing the system - its called Universal Credit and links all claims together to minimise fraud !

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
If you want to stamp out fraud (who doesn't?) then target the fraudsters and change the system.

we ARE changing the system - its called Universal Credit and links all claims together to minimise fraud !

UC started a few years ago under IDS and there were are notices online and in JC about the changes.

Waiting 6 weeks for first payment is nothing new.

If people can't afford TV licence then don't bloody pay it...notify TV Licencing that you are cancelling the licence.

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
If you want to stamp out fraud (who doesn't?) then target the fraudsters and change the system.

we ARE changing the system - its called Universal Credit and links all claims together to minimise fraud !

Yes, it should be a lot easier and better, but no need to make it harder for people who are already suffering.

We desperately need a system where changes in circumstances can be reported and the benefit adjusted with no break in payments. The way it is now, it encourages fraud, and dissuades injured people from trying to get better.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4758976/randy-empl...-jobcentre/#comments



Maybe this will help them get paid quicker and maybe some back date ?

Some "adjustments" are on the way, honey!

With any new system there is bound to be a period of "testing out".

I will let you know if I (ever !) see any dead bodies in the street (don't hold your breath) !

In The Know (as always !) wrote:
Some "adjustments" are on the way, honey!

With any new system there is bound to be a period of "testing out".

I will let you know if I (ever !) see any dead bodies in the street (don't hold your breath) !

I hope the churches near you, as here, are trying hard to make sure everyone gets help.

This story is horrible. He didnt die of starvation, but it shows the utter misery this is causing. www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2017-10-24/...after-itv-interview/

It is not the principal I object to, just the uncaring and unfit way it is delivered.

There are still some daft rules in it though. It seems that if you claim carers allowance the money is taken way from the disabled person's benefit.
What a waste of everyone's time!

I'm on carers allowance and yes it's taken from UC.

It's been the case for years and no it won't be reversed, unless the government play political football.

andrew wrote:
I'm on carers allowance and yes it's taken from UC.

It's been the case for years and no it won't be reversed, unless the government play political football.

From your universal credit or your wife's?

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

This story is horrible. He didnt die of starvation, but it shows the utter misery this is causing. www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2017-10-24/...after-itv-interview/

You said it yourself, honey! - he DIDN'T die of starvation !

Stories like this are just emotional blackmail to help people keep on scrounging, and encourage them to perpetuate their previous lifestyle of doing everything to avoid work.

The article makes it clear he was massively in debt (long before UC was introduced) and he was facing losing his home.
He was also fit for work.

If this man had got a job he would probably be alive today.

I've said it before, honey! - you are kind but gullible (and these people rely on people like you falling for their eternal sob stories).

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
It seems that if you claim carers allowance the money is taken way from the disabled person's benefit.

You think these people should be paid TWICE ???

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
andrew wrote:
I'm on carers allowance and yes it's taken from UC.

It's been the case for years and no it won't be reversed, unless the government play political football.

From your universal credit or your wife's?

It's a joint claim.

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
It seems that if you claim carers allowance the money is taken way from the disabled person's benefit.

You think these people should be paid TWICE ???

No, my question is, why do we have it at all? Why pay for the administration of cutting out one benefit and paying into another? It is stupid.

What you actually said, honey! was ....

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
There are still some daft rules in it though. It seems that if you claim carers allowance the money is taken way from the disabled person's benefit.

If someone received a benefit - yet another person actually carries out the work involved - then obviously they should be paid by the first person.

In The Know wrote:
What you actually said, honey! was ....

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
There are still some daft rules in it though. It seems that if you claim carers allowance the money is taken way from the disabled person's benefit.

If someone received a benefit - yet another person actually carries out the work involved - then obviously they should be paid by the first person.

Well said...also my carers allowance goes to towards the bills.