Treated myself to this and very glad I did; wonderful film.

I just found this from way back in February - a very well written Ken Loach piece which I'm surprised to see the Guardian carried.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/f...our?CMP=share_btn_tw

I have never heard or witness a single mother being sanctioned for being late, Job Centres try and squeeze them in ASAP.

A bloke likely to be sanctioned for being a little late or missing a 'phantom' appointment.

I have just watched this. A brilliant film, it highlights the failings of the May government and realises how life hasn't changed that much for some people since "Cathy come home".

Glad you caught this Robbie - yes, a fantastic film.

Thought it was terrific.

Love Ken Loach's work. Able to make very dramatic films on a shoestring budget and they don't age.

Nothing but propaganda reminds me off the Nazi films in History class.

andrew wrote:
Nothing but propaganda reminds me off the Nazi films in History class.

Quite right, andrew - just Commie propaganda.

The director has been a strong supporter of Corbyn since day one. He endorsed him in both the 2015 and 2016 leadership contests, and released a documentary, In Conversation with Jeremy Corbyn. For the 2017 election, he filmed a profile of the Labour leader.
www.newstatesman.com/2018/01/ken-loach-l...ity-and-lessons-1968

Kes not sure why it's a 'classic'.

I'm not surprised the two tory boys didn't like it, have they even seen it?

Just because Loach has supported Corbyn is irrelevant, everyone supports someone. The film is a fairly accurate depiction of the benefits system and job centres. They are very hostile and cynical places. The film was balanced in the fact it showed both decent and horrible job centre staff (jobsworths - calling the plod when daniel argued with one of the staff). Apart from anything else the film is funny and moving. In my local job centre there are move security heavies than the average night club, because the system is designed to make people frustrated and angry and avoid making claims.

As for why Kes is a classic. This is because it is so realistic and moving. You can't see the join between this film and real life, there are few films that can say that. It is timeless, realistic, and funny.

robbiex wrote:
I'm not surprised the two tory boys didn't like it, have they even seen it?

Just because Loach has supported Corbyn is irrelevant, everyone supports someone. The film is a fairly accurate depiction of the benefits system and job centres. They are very hostile and cynical places. The film was balanced in the fact it showed both decent and horrible job centre staff (jobsworths - calling the plod when daniel argued with one of the staff). Apart from anything else the film is funny and moving. In my local job centre there are move security heavies than the average night club, because the system is designed to make people frustrated and angry and avoid making claims.

As for why Kes is a classic. This is because it is so realistic and moving. You can't see the join between this film and real life, there are few films that can say that. It is timeless, realistic, and funny.

I have seen it and what made you think I didn't?

The nightclub near me have roughly number of 'heavies' as my old Job Centre.

Kes is not funny ( not to me) and changing room scene is just very creepy to see, why did Ken direct nude kids ?

andrew wrote:
robbiex wrote:
I'm not surprised the two tory boys didn't like it, have they even seen it?

Just because Loach has supported Corbyn is irrelevant, everyone supports someone. The film is a fairly accurate depiction of the benefits system and job centres. They are very hostile and cynical places. The film was balanced in the fact it showed both decent and horrible job centre staff (jobsworths - calling the plod when daniel argued with one of the staff). Apart from anything else the film is funny and moving. In my local job centre there are move security heavies than the average night club, because the system is designed to make people frustrated and angry and avoid making claims.

As for why Kes is a classic. This is because it is so realistic and moving. You can't see the join between this film and real life, there are few films that can say that. It is timeless, realistic, and funny.

I have seen it and what made you think I didn't?

The nightclub near me have roughly number of 'heavies' as my old Job Centre.

Kes is not funny ( not to me) and changing room scene is just very creepy to see, why did Ken direct nude kids ?

As for the changing room scene, the film was based on a book by Barry Hines, and the changing room scene was essential to the story. You only saw their bare bums, most people aren't traumatised by the site of a bare bum. I remember watching this at school in the 80s, and everyone just thought that scene was funny, nobody needed counciling afterwards. It was made in 1969, before the era of paedo hysteria, showing this non-explicit nudity wasn't considered a big deal. David Bradley the lead actor in the film looks back on the film with great fondness.

People like all sorts of different films, many people worship star wars, whereas I couldn't care for it, others like grittier films about real life, that you can relate to. Shawshank Redemption is one of the highest rated films on imdb. I enjoyed it, but it doesn't stand up to several repeated viewings, like Kes, zulu, or the breakfast club.

And isn't it extraordinary than now, worse than the Victorian era, the sight of a bare bottom is considered paedophilia? Asking a woman if she would like a coffee is Attempted Rape?