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TOPIC: Brighton Rock
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In The Know (as always !)
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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He's clearly NUTS !
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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Only colours then
Ran out of links
So unable to dispute
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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In The Know (as always !) wrote:
Despite trying every door into the church, Caroline finally accepted defeat and left.
G4 certainly didn't want Caroline at his coronation - but she found a door where the guards were willing to admit her.
If she had a ticket - which she did not. But her companion Lord Hood had, and he offered it to her.
However she refused and left for her Audley Street residence - dying there soon after from poisoning.
About 10 years later G4 died from sheer gluttony - and massive amounts of brandy and drugs.
You see, there are many versions of this 200 year story, in a media-free era; who can be sure what really happened!?
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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Another myth concerning the 1820 coronation is that prize fighters were hired by G4 to guard the doors of Wesminister Abbey.
To prevent Caronine attending! Totally wrong, as these were 18 bare-knuckle fighters - who acted as ushers.
Including the legendary Tom Spring who was a friend of G4, a big fan and patron of the noble art.
Which story do you believe - just the one you took as fact for decades?
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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JK2006 wrote:
Enough with the mad colours ITK - the Spam filter will start knocking you out before I see your words of wisdom!
OK, JK ... just wanted to make sure the message got accross !
Did you know there are free Paninis stickers (for the kiddies) in this week's Sun ?
collectibles.panini.co.uk/news.html?tx_n...fb495c634226bb454c8f
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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Spee wrote:
Scene of Graham Greene's novel of the 30's
Greene was catholic, as was Pinkie the book's villain - and the underlying theme is how those, of that persuasion, see right and wrong as religious opposites.
Other view them as ethical choices, with nothing to do with any religion. Because of his catholicism, Pinkie knew his murdering ways were putting him in danger of eternal damnation.
Nevertheless he couldn't stop, hating non-believers for their calm ethical and secular logic. 'These atheists; they know nothing' - he shouts.
There is some irony that the G4/Fitzherbert Brighton relationship had catholicism firmly in the mix c125 years before, albeit for different reasons.
Greene was shortlisted for the Nobel prize twice - and became a good friend of Charlie Chaplin, when both retired to Lake Geneva.
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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Reading up!
I've been a member of the Recency Society since first attending one of the colleges in Brighton.
As advised so many times - if you disagree, dispute.
To just insult is childish.
One last fact on G4 - his usual breakfast:-
2 pidgeons; 3 steaks; 1 bottle of wine; 2 brandies; 1 glass of champagne; 2 glasses of port; laudinum (opium).
Close to the end, he exceeded 24 stone.
His residence at Brighton is open to the public now, the Pavilion - a few hundred yards from the sea...
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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Please also bear in mind that I started the thread on this fine site.
Largely to elicit further knowledge on Greene, the Brighton Rock book and movies, G4 and friends/partners, the history of the time (Lord Liverpool etc.), and the catholic/protestant angles.
All you have been able to add is old links to old and disputed garbage, which has been ignored for yonks.
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In The Know (as always !)
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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Spee wrote:
Largely to elicit further knowledge on .... G4 and friends/partners
You had never even mentioned him (nor Maria Fitzherbert) until I did ... then the jealousy kicked-in !
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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The thread's royal connection to Brighton was started by my reference to Victoria's father - William IV, the brother and successor of George IV.
It was later necessary for me to correct you on the legality of George's 'marriage' to Fitzherbert - which, as I pointed out, contravened two Acts.
And was void/illegal. Something you didn't seem to know - or mention! Even now, catholics are prohibited from marrying a Monarch, or immediate heir.
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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Spee wrote:
The thread's royal connection to Brighton was started by my reference to Victoria's father - William IV, the brother and successor of George IV.
It was later necessary for me to correct you on the legality of George's 'marriage' to Fitzherbert - which, as I pointed out, contravened two Acts.
And was void/illegal. Something you didn't seem to know - or mention! Even now, catholics are prohibited from marrying a Monarch, or immediate heir.
A small bit of advice for ITK.
Links are usually/often the views of others.
Places like the world acclaimed British Library (on the Euston Road) allow people to see/read the actual documents concerned in history.
Even the Magna Carta.
But you still believe a fat lady ran around Westminster Abbey banging on all the doors...because a link says so¡
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Re:Brighton Rock 5 Years, 11 Months ago
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Earl of Dublin yes.
At last a correction.
Wikipedia to the rescue.
I'm happy to admit an error.
You don't do that, ever.
Off to Arsenal v Madrid....
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