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Was Enoch Powell right in his "rivers of blood" speech?
Forgetting the racist language in the speech and whatever his own views were. Was he in essence correct that immigration without integration would lead to the troubles that seem to have reached boiling point?
On another note, I think Starmer is reading the room wrong with his talk of cracking down and "thugs". The man is fanning the flames...
I am wondering if he will be proved ultimately correct in his predictions, but don't subscribe to the simplistic notion that it is all down to "the immigrants".
The violence and troubles we are seeing are - from knife crime to "patriots" rioting - are due to behaviours from immigrants and longer established "native" immigrants. We have always been an island of immigrants.
The speed and scale is a challenge to people though, and our ruling classes don't help by expecting everyone to act like a paragon of liberalism, apart from many of the recent immigrants.
We are very confused, enact double standards and this understandably engrages people and fuels racist responses.
Wyot wrote: I am wondering if he will be proved ultimately correct in his predictions, but don't subscribe to the simplistic notion that it is all down to "the immigrants".
The violence and troubles we are seeing are - from knife crime to "patriots" rioting - are due to behaviours from immigrants and longer established "native" immigrants. We have always been an island of immigrants.
The speed and scale is a challenge to people though, and our ruling classes don't help by expecting everyone to act like a paragon of liberalism, apart from many of the recent immigrants.
We are very confused, enact double standards and this understandably engrages people and fuels racist responses.
Sounds like the Covid narrative Wyot. Keep people confused and bored.
It's interesting how the police have different stance on other groups. If the police are following orders. That is was what the Nazi's said during Nuremberg Trails.
Not forgetting the only advice police give to Jews is "Don't look Jewish".
You can't even wave your St George flag without being stopped by the police.
Yes, it's very hard not to view those poor innocent children from Southport as the clearest proof yet of that 1968 speech by Powell. I take no pleasure saying it believe me, and don't in any way intend to sound tasteless, inflammatory or grotesque. You can add all the rest of the increased knife crime into it as well, and the Southend machete incident. We can no longer deny what is staring us all in the face, turn a blind eye or pretend it's not happening any more. This is now the hard brutal reality of that speech.
Andy wrote: Yes, it's very hard not to view those poor innocent children from Southport as the clearest proof yet of that 1968 speech by Powell. I take no pleasure saying it believe me, and don't in any way intend to sound tasteless, inflammatory or grotesque. You can add all the rest of the increased knife crime into it as well, and the Southend machete incident. We can no longer deny what is staring us all in the face, turn a blind eye or pretend it's not happening any more. This is now the hard brutal reality of that speech.
I think the machete thing in Southend was a turf war with dealers. If they want to fight over a territory let them.