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Topic History of: Granny killer get lesser sentence than attempted rape?
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
Chris Retro wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
robbiex wrote:
It's not just one attempted rape, he was also found with hundreds of paedo films, many of which he appeared in. There was also the manipulation of mothers and other abuses of young children. He posed
I dont think it is possible to "manipulate" a mother into harming her child.
Some women are child abusers. Maybe the thought is too revolting to accept and we need to blame others?
I am also wondering about drugs. Is it really possible that heavy use can twist someone's mind to this extent? Or does it exacerbate a mental condition? (Or does the mental condition lead to drug abuse?)
Crack Cocaine, Crystal Meth and other such substances can indeed induce serious mental illness - a wide variety of problems too. It's only relatively recently they have been 'accepted', and this seems to be due to the Americanisation of society, - as far as side effects go they are grim. A 'moral compass' is usually the first thing to go for a burton. If there was any kind of responsible way of taking stock of the situation it should be, first and foremost, educating the young about these highly addictive substances. These things are on a whole new level to the popular recreational drugs of the 70s & 80s.
Which isn't to condone anything Watkins & co did or did not do - but unless the focus is on the problem then stuff *like this* will happen. If you expect reason, decency or morality from someone addicted to meth, crack & smack then you expect too much. Where is this shit coming from, and why do people think it's ok to get completely annihilated to such a degree? Another point I'm making is thus: lots of people working in that side of the media knew his choice of drugs, his LA porn connections and his popularity/promiscurity with female fans. It was all a big massive laugh - oh they never thought he'd do *that* - but what the hell did they expect? Why was it 'ok' to watch someone go from being articulate & sober to a drugged up moron?
Thanks for the info, Chris. The funny thing is,a few years ago I went on a "drug awareness" course for people who work with "youth" and nothing was mentioned about the effect on mental health, and it is something we need to know about.
I wonder how his friends and family could have helped? It is very difficult to get someone treatment for drug abuse (even if they want it) and near impossible to get any sort of help for someone with mental health issues.
It is a very sad story. I hope Ian Watkins gets whatever help he needs. |
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Chris Retro |
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
robbiex wrote:
It's not just one attempted rape, he was also found with hundreds of paedo films, many of which he appeared in. There was also the manipulation of mothers and other abuses of young children. He posed
I dont think it is possible to "manipulate" a mother into harming her child.
Some women are child abusers. Maybe the thought is too revolting to accept and we need to blame others?
I am also wondering about drugs. Is it really possible that heavy use can twist someone's mind to this extent? Or does it exacerbate a mental condition? (Or does the mental condition lead to drug abuse?)
Crack Cocaine, Crystal Meth and other such substances can indeed induce serious mental illness - a wide variety of problems too. It's only relatively recently they have been 'accepted', and this seems to be due to the Americanisation of society, - as far as side effects go they are grim. A 'moral compass' is usually the first thing to go for a burton. If there was any kind of responsible way of taking stock of the situation it should be, first and foremost, educating the young about these highly addictive substances. These things are on a whole new level to the popular recreational drugs of the 70s & 80s.
Which isn't to condone anything Watkins & co did or did not do - but unless the focus is on the problem then stuff *like this* will happen. If you expect reason, decency or morality from someone addicted to meth, crack & smack then you expect too much. Where is this shit coming from, and why do people think it's ok to get completely annihilated to such a degree? Another point I'm making is thus: lots of people working in that side of the media knew his choice of drugs, his LA porn connections and his popularity/promiscurity with female fans. It was all a big massive laugh - oh they never thought he'd do *that* - but what the hell did they expect? Why was it 'ok' to watch someone go from being articulate & sober to a drugged up moron? |
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
hedda wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
hedda wrote:
a complex case and I cannot possibly know what was happening in this bloke's mind...but..
is it wrong to say that in a case like this..the victims / babies will suffer no ill effects as are incapable of holding memory, unlike say a 4/5/7/8 year old child.
eg : babies cannot recall a physical slashing of their body- circumcision.
Wit circumcision or a heel prick or vaccination they are in a loving family and handed straight back to their mother to be comforted.
In this case it seems that the person who should have been comforting him was holding him down while he was violated.
must be why babies scream when it happens. And I'm not sure of the research that shows babies do or do not remember pain. Was their pain worse than say, when a 6 inch nail went through my foot (real story) as a 5 year old and remained there for several hours ?
I don't know the facts of this particular case- I do know everything is exagerated in a court case and because the perp pleaded guilty we won't hear the facts.
But one thing is happening already with faux experts like MWT calling it " a horror I will live with for the rest of his life"...presumably more horrible than say Afghan or Iraq families who see their loved ones blown to smithereens or simply maimed.
A history is being created and a life-long scenario is being laid out for the victims who will know why their mothers went to jail :
" your life is now ruined for all time- there is no recovery- the vilest, most hideous unimaginable thing happened to you as a child and you cannot, will not be allowed to recover from this hideous thing because we will remind you from time to time as we need to sell newspapers full of hideous stories to placate the vicarious taste of the British public and whenever Tosspot needs to produce another TV sensation"
Until fairly recently they didn't use anesthetic on small babies in the belief that their perception of the pain was different and that they would forget.
I think the most extensive research is from the Johns Hopkins university/hospital.
Apparently the poor little chap who was attacked is in foster care.
I would have put him straight up for adoption and burned the records, because I am sure the process of being fostered for over a year and then (presumably?) taken away for adoption will exacerbate the harm already done. |
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
robbiex wrote:
It's not just one attempted rape, he was also found with hundreds of paedo films, many of which he appeared in. There was also the manipulation of mothers and other abuses of young children. He posed
I dont think it is possible to "manipulate" a mother into harming her child.
Some women are child abusers. Maybe the thought is too revolting to accept and we need to blame others?
I am also wondering about drugs. Is it really possible that heavy use can twist someone's mind to this extent? Or does it exacerbate a mental condition? (Or does the mental condition lead to drug abuse?) |
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Chris Retro |
This article of faux-journalism kinda says it all
"once a hero, he is now a monster" - really? People are neither 'heroes' nor 'monsters' and it's that infantile mindset that 'feeds the beast'. Crack & Meth tend to scatter a moral compass far & wide as it is, what kind of Idiot Bus is everybody on?
leeds.tab.co.uk/2013/11/27/spare-a-thoug...se-lostprophets-fan/ |
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