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Topic History of: Rather grudging media coverage of Rolf Harris verdict
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Randall |
Jo wrote:
Carl wrote:
Has it occurred to anybody on here that he could be guilty and got away with it???
No, not after considering the allegations (in the first case, we can't discuss the second). It's not just the nature of the allegations (e.g. one allegation in a paid TV interview being so similar in its details to an earlier Savile allegation that, in my view, it can only have been copied; another about a modest community centre venue at which there was no record that this major star touring venues such as the Royal Albert Hall had ever appeared; another from a woman who had already asked him for thousands and threatened to go to the media if he didn't pay up; another from a woman who couldn't remember the venue or her age) but how and when they emerged and the probability of them being true reports of actual crime as opposed to being the result of opportunism for personal gain. If they're true, then all the victims waited decades to report crime on their person, all failed to react at the time or for years afterwards (e.g. squealed, squirmed, shouted, slapped him, pushed him away, told their mum, went to the police or even the media), no-one else noticed although most of the alleged crimes were alleged to have happened when other people were around, no-one captured it on camera or film, even accidentally, no-one witnessed anything and reported it to the police or even the media. None came forward until after the Jimmy Savile allegations/compensation claims and they all claimed compensation.
That's it in a nutshell. Brilliant paragraph, Jo. |
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
Lizzie Cornish wrote:
It hasn't escaped any of us. The fact is, Rolf should NEVER have been charged in the first place, right from the very start of this insanity.
The fact a jury finds someone guilty does not mean they ARE guilty and many people these days have the IQ of a Jeremy Kyle contestant. Indeed, the first Judge, in Trial 1, actually dismissed an entire jury in the case of Vicky Pryce, because he couldn't take anymore of their lack of intelligence. There was also, of course, a Met Police officer on Rolf's first jury, officially confirmed in July 2015.
If you knew anything about his trial, you'd have deep concerns over what has been done to him already and what is still being done to him now.
To have to SPLIT an allegation into two, which is what the CPS have now done, shows you how DESPERATE they are and how devious too.
Of course, they've been helped hugely by the Sociopathic Press in the UK who have reported this as a 'new charge' making people think it's yet another woman who's come forward.
The people are accountable to no-one it seems, in the CPS that is. How many more £MILLIONS are they now going to spend on Trial 3? His poor family being put through this yet again, Rolf himself, Alwen, Bindi, all his friends, beside themselves with anxiety.
This is Brutal Cruelty by BRUTAL people.
I sincerely hope that one day in the not too distant future, heads will roll over this, good and proper, jobs lost, those responsible brought to court themselves and thence, to prison, for the excrutiating agony they've caused, are still causing.
And yes, Jonathan, in answer to your earlier comment, it is FOUR charges acquited. One has been dropped, that of Rolf allegedly 'touching' a woman's back (please, don't even get me started!!) and the FOUR to be sent to re-trial include one of the former charges being split into two separate ones.
They won't stop until they've killed him, in my view and the press won't help one bit, not one bit. I've spoken to more journalist these past few years than ever before..and they do NOT want to know about helping Rolf. They work to the agendas of those at the top and that is all they're interested in doing.
It is heartbreaking...truly heartbreaking what so many good men are being put through, yourself included Jonathan.
Wont stop until they have killed him?
After they have killed him is when they can REALLY go to town! |
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JK2006 |
I was well aware, Lizzie, that I would be needing to structure a good alternative route to traditional media; that was why I built up this site; why I published books myself; why I made my own films and distributed them through the Internet; two million viewers to Vile Pervert alone plus millions more on other videos illustrate the sense of my decision (plus the fact that these days everyone is doing it).
What surprises me is why traditional media, whose only morality is "is it a good story?", haven't yet cottoned on to this great story. |
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Lizzie Cornish |
It hasn't escaped any of us. The fact is, Rolf should NEVER have been charged in the first place, right from the very start of this insanity.
The fact a jury finds someone guilty does not mean they ARE guilty and many people these days have the IQ of a Jeremy Kyle contestant. Indeed, the first Judge, in Trial 1, actually dismissed an entire jury in the case of Vicky Pryce, because he couldn't take anymore of their lack of intelligence. There was also, of course, a Met Police officer on Rolf's first jury, officially confirmed in July 2015.
If you knew anything about his trial, you'd have deep concerns over what has been done to him already and what is still being done to him now.
To have to SPLIT an allegation into two, which is what the CPS have now done, shows you how DESPERATE they are and how devious too.
Of course, they've been helped hugely by the Sociopathic Press in the UK who have reported this as a 'new charge' making people think it's yet another woman who's come forward.
The people are accountable to no-one it seems, in the CPS that is. How many more £MILLIONS are they now going to spend on Trial 3? His poor family being put through this yet again, Rolf himself, Alwen, Bindi, all his friends, beside themselves with anxiety.
This is Brutal Cruelty by BRUTAL people.
I sincerely hope that one day in the not too distant future, heads will roll over this, good and proper, jobs lost, those responsible brought to court themselves and thence, to prison, for the excrutiating agony they've caused, are still causing.
And yes, Jonathan, in answer to your earlier comment, it is FOUR charges acquited. One has been dropped, that of Rolf allegedly 'touching' a woman's back (please, don't even get me started!!) and the FOUR to be sent to re-trial include one of the former charges being split into two separate ones.
They won't stop until they've killed him, in my view and the press won't help one bit, not one bit. I've spoken to more journalist these past few years than ever before..and they do NOT want to know about helping Rolf. They work to the agendas of those at the top and that is all they're interested in doing.
It is heartbreaking...truly heartbreaking what so many good men are being put through, yourself included Jonathan. |
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John Marsh |
In The Know wrote:
Carl wrote:
Has it occurred to anybody on here that he could be guilty and got away with it???
Which part of "he IS guilty and IS already in prison" are these people failing to comprehend ?
There is a little misunderstanding here in the discussions on this JK site though the issue should be obvious as JK hsd been proclaiming that he was falsely accused since forever. That he was not guilty in spite of the legal decision.
The "not guilty " part is a declaration of JK's knowledge that he did not do what the jury decided he had done.
So with Rolf Harris it is sooooooooooooooo obvious he is currently in prison and secondly at the first trial that eleven jurors believed him to be guilty of the stated crimes and juror number twelve after holding out under tremendous pressure from the eleven others on the day before the judge was going to throw the vote over to a majority decision threw his/her lot in with the eleven "true believers". Why I do not know at that precise time whether he/she could not take another day with such prejudiced people or by that time the person's job was on the line and they had to get back to work.
The concern is not the legal position but injustice as in the trail and before not meeting Article 6 of a fair trial and of "real guilt or real innocence".
What clearly comes out in the Rolf Harris case is the justice system is corrupt. The first Rolf Harris trial tested the system and found it lacking. Like say a maintenance crew and it's practices of an airline who have practices that are risky/unsafe but as no crash has taken place until one does could say well this is just a blip as we have had no crashes before therefore our maintenance system is perfect and you can ignore the current crash ( example is if the investigator found the maintenance crew practices were in reality putting the airplane at risk)I am raising an example to try and illustrate that a system's real success / strength / reliability is only ever shown when "tested".
So when straight forward cases in general get the thumbs up or thumbs down based on generally obvious good evidence or lack of good evidence the system is declared the pride of the world. Enter JK or Rolf Harris and what do we have. "A crap system" that has obvious injustices that did not clear even the first hurdle.
ITK your point is valid BUT in the discussions "misplaced". A bit like the use of the words victim and complainant can make the world of difference how the police approach a crime report. |
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