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[b]Peter wrote:[/b]
[quote]Good post as usual Pete; why bother with brevity when eleven hundred words will suffice?  ;o)

“And, as many falsely accused teachers can testify, it can also flow upwards from the malicious allegations of some youngsters to the shattering consequences visited upon the adults they’ve besmirched with such explosive lies.

And, of course, the pressures the young place on one another are often considerably nastier than that placed on them by the vast majority of adults …”

The snake-pit that is in each and every one of us is at times super-evident among school-age peers; at least it was at my school where the normalcy of corporal punishment created a harsh environment for kids. I believe one of the side-effects of creating generation snowflake has been to stunt the basic human instinct to fear the consequences of one’s own actions, a fear that would otherwise be learnt from being allowed to take risks during childhood, in other words, the self-taught skill of orientating oneself along the line between order and chaos. So we have bred a generation that has the freedom to take offence in the classroom, to take offence at what people say, to take offence online, and to take offence in courts of law, with minimal negative consequences for doing the accusing, and even maybe the positive of financial remuneration.

“What would have been the better outcome for these boys (and the woman who had sex with them)? Leaving this chapter with them as a private experience to be personally reflected on as they matured and entered adulthood, or subjecting them to the traumatic horror of having their deeply private escapades broadcast from a court of law to all and sundry by local or national media, knowing that they would be watching the destruction of a human being they were once very intimate with?”

I take that to be a rhetorical question. The creation of more chaos is the inevitable outcome from the ruination of the lives of all involved in being forced through the barbaric mincer that is the medieval inquisitorial process.[/quote]

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Topic History of: Lack of consent
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tdf	Another point is that you can still enlist in the British Army from the age of 16, although I don't think you can be sent into battle until 18. Yes, Britain has child soldiers - worth bearing in mind next time you see some politician preaching to other countries from a great height.
Randall	Another masterpiece from Pete, and a good follow up from Peter too. Jo wrote: I don't see why there shouldn't be a difference between the age of consent and the age of criminal responsiblity. Here's why. An under 16 year old can be prosecuted and held criminally responsible for sexual deeds that the law says he cannot give consent to. If, as the age of consent dictates, the defendant isn't doing sexual doings of his own free will and consent, there can be no mens rea and therefore no crime. I think along similar lines to JK. Sexual consent should be a test of competency: whether one can effectively express informed consent about proposed sexual actions. I don't think there should be an age-based boundary at all. It might be useful to link this to something in the educational curriculum, making a more flexibl age of consent based on the actual consent rather than a legal ability one somehow gains on a particular birthday.
The Blocked Dwarf	Remedy Nr.1 would have been, in DoDG's day, a cup of tea and a cigarette. One without the other has only a fraction of the efficacy of the two combined....at least for those of us lucky , blessed even, to be smokers. I haven't checked but the chances are tea and cigarettes were even blended at the time in such a way as to increase their natural complimenting.
JK2006	Which brings us back to the good old days of Dixon of Dock Green where the decent desk officer, using common sense, sometimes wrong but nearly always right, decided which claims were to be pursued and which, the majority, were to be dealt with via sympathy and that magnificent remedy, beating chicken soup to Number 2, a cup of tea.
Peter	Good post as usual Pete; why bother with brevity when eleven hundred words will suffice? ;o) “And, as many falsely accused teachers can testify, it can also flow upwards from the malicious allegations of some youngsters to the shattering consequences visited upon the adults they’ve besmirched with such explosive lies. And, of course, the pressures the young place on one another are often considerably nastier than that placed on them by the vast majority of adults …” The snake-pit that is in each and every one of us is at times super-evident among school-age peers; at least it was at my school where the normalcy of corporal punishment created a harsh environment for kids. I believe one of the side-effects of creating generation snowflake has been to stunt the basic human instinct to fear the consequences of one’s own actions, a fear that would otherwise be learnt from being allowed to take risks during childhood, in other words, the self-taught skill of orientating oneself along the line between order and chaos. So we have bred a generation that has the freedom to take offence in the classroom, to take offence at what people say, to take offence online, and to take offence in courts of law, with minimal negative consequences for doing the accusing, and even maybe the positive of financial remuneration. “What would have been the better outcome for these boys (and the woman who had sex with them)? Leaving this chapter with them as a private experience to be personally reflected on as they matured and entered adulthood, or subjecting them to the traumatic horror of having their deeply private escapades broadcast from a court of law to all and sundry by local or national media, knowing that they would be watching the destruction of a human being they were once very intimate with?” I take that to be a rhetorical question. The creation of more chaos is the inevitable outcome from the ruination of the lives of all involved in being forced through the barbaric mincer that is the medieval inquisitorial process.