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Topic History of: Cyril Smith (never charged)
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Anonymous	I only know about the original allegations made in 1979 but I must say I don't find them too convincing. The problem is not that I think the men were lying, the original complainants all sounded like they were telling the truth. However, this was about events in the early 1960s. Most of it was about spanking teenage boys as an alternative to a legal punishment or some other sanction. Of course nowadays (or even in 1979) people would understand this as the behaviour of someone with sexual motives. But I do not think people in the early 1960s would have so readily understood this. It would have been completely taboo to discuss such sexual proclivities in the kind of circles that Cyril Smith was likely to be mixing in ('respectable working class'). This raises the question of whether Smith himself was able to conceive that sexual desire was his actual motive. Cyril Smith sounds very much like my old headmaster, a man whose behaviour was bad my standards (corporeal punishment especially) but I am not clear that he was guilty of paedophile crimes. After all you need an 'intention' or a 'criminal mind' in order to be actually prosecuted for a crime.
hedda	I don't think Danzuck even wrote the book, rather his MP agent did while he was on the public payroll. What an odious little man he is ...banished to obscurity. Let's hope the ghastly John Mann MP follows him.
honey!oh sugar sugar.	I must admit, freedom of Rochdale is something I could happily do without.
wjlmarsh	The media I read at the time was all stories with nothing factual. The usual latest day crazy stuff. The person who seemed to make a thing about it was Simon Dabczuk another one of them labour characters who seemed to cash in on the crazy stuff.(My hope is labour will attract more candidates with integrity and sense not one's who follow fads and crazy reasoning). One incident from the book Simon wrote was published to help sell the book but the story as far as I could tell never found any support at all. The published story about been stopped on the motorway with something in the car boot or whatever it was may even of been discredited. Like the main Savile popular book I am under the impression the book is a collection of "stories". A bit like going to an Alien encounters convention and collecting the stories then saying here's the proof. The book "Smile for the Camera: The Double Life of Cyril Smith" by Simon Danczuk The author demonstrated along with his then wife someone I could not trust to have written with an "open mind" and a zeal for truth plus the published story thus nothing to remotely interest me to it been factual. Opposite to JK's book I am looking forward to reading it and as time goes on the evidence to his innocence just keeps piling up.
JK2006	I think the key, as often, is exaggeration - after death it is not only easy but obligatory to pump up claims with assistance from media and fiction. Throw in the odd bleeding anus and you can usually guarantee some extra compo.