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Topic History of: Brexit - I've just sent this to The Times...
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hedda wrote:
PaulB's response sadly says it all.
The Brexit campaign has already been found to have broken the law.
That's as a campaign. Now individuals from that campaign are being investigated. The crime has already been found to have happened.
Brexit was sold on outrageous lies.
You simply cannot dismiss outrageous fabrications like the £350M NHS red bus lie. Or the queues of "immigrants" fabrication.
Their effect goes far beyond those 2 examples as they helped create an atmosphere that fed the minds of people already doing it tough..millions and millions of them..that the EU was to blame when it's the actions of their own governments over the past 20 years both Conservative and new Labour.
But hey..the UK went into a war on blatant and proven lies in which 100,000s of innocents were killed and millions displaced causing the catastrophe of the refugee crisis where millions are flooding Europe and enough Brits now accept that even though they caused the problem and while Germany (who did not attack Iraq) does the hard work soaking up the majority of refugees Little Englanders still moan and groan about fantasy problems and ignore the real ones because basically..over the 30/40 years enough of them have been dumbed down and are basically thick and are the Turkeys Who Voted For Xmas.
And nothing happened to those who caused all those deaths (most are still in Parliament)
If they accept such a life-changing result built on outrageous and proven lies where the law was broken, then "democracy" is basically fucked.
In reality British democracy now is what a handful of foreign based media barons dictate to it.
It doesn't bother me what happens with Brexit. I've given up on the UK ..will still visit for special reasons but I don't find it a desirable destination any more. Too expensive beyond words..ghastly nouveau riche dominating every single aspect..the arts, music etc have been homogenized and all spontaneity has been beaten out of it...London used to be such a joy (still looks amazing ) but it's unbelievably dull and over-priced.
Maybe if Brexit goes ahead the place will get such a Reality slap in the face it could become interesting again...nothing like a depression and massive unemployment...throughout history it's when places start to party again like there's no tomorrow.
On the upside there are so many fabulous places to visit on the way to the UK (Berlin is thriving with a club scene reminiscent of 80s London)
And fortunately with my Irish passport (thanks Granny) it's so easy.
Well said, hedda. |
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hedda |
PaulB wrote:
hedda wrote:
PaulB's response sadly says it all.
The Brexit campaign has already been found to have broken the law.
That's as a campaign. Now individuals from that campaign are being investigated. The crime has already been found to have happened.
Brexit was sold on outrageous lies.
You simply cannot dismiss outrageous fabrications like the £350M NHS red bus lie. Or the queues of "immigrants" fabrication.
Their effect goes far beyond those 2 examples as they helped create an atmosphere that fed the minds of people already doing it tough..millions and millions of them..that the EU was to blame when it's the actions of their own governments over the past 20 years both Conservative and new Labour.
But hey..the UK went into a war on blatant and proven lies in which 100,000s of innocents were killed and millions displaced causing the catastrophe of the refugee crisis where millions are flooding Europe and enough Brits now accept that even though they caused the problem and while Germany (who did not attack Iraq) does the hard work soaking up the majority of refugees Little Englanders still moan and groan about fantasy problems and ignore the real ones because basically..over the 30/40 years enough of them have been dumbed down and are basically thick and are the Turkeys Who Voted For Xmas.
And nothing happened to those who caused all those deaths (most are still in Parliament)
If they accept such a life-changing result built on outrageous and proven lies where the law was broken, then "democracy" is basically fucked.
In reality British democracy now is what a handful of foreign based media barons dictate to it.
It doesn't bother me what happens with Brexit. I've given up on the UK ..will still visit for special reasons but I don't find it a desirable destination any more. Too expensive beyond words..ghastly nouveau riche dominating every single aspect..the arts, music etc have been homogenized and all spontaneity has been beaten out of it...London used to be such a joy (still looks amazing ) but it's unbelievably dull and over-priced.
Maybe if Brexit goes ahead the place will get such a Reality slap in the face it could become interesting again...nothing like a depression and massive unemployment...throughout history it's when places start to party again like there's no tomorrow.
On the upside there are so many fabulous places to visit on the way to the UK (Berlin is thriving with a club scene reminiscent of 80s London)
And fortunately with my Irish passport (thanks Granny) it's so easy.
Have a cup of strong coffee and listen to some smooth music, and chill. It helps to temper emotional outbursts.
hardly an "emotional outburst"..just good common sense.
This is an emotional outburst : go fuck yourself |
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PaulB |
hedda wrote:
PaulB's response sadly says it all.
The Brexit campaign has already been found to have broken the law.
That's as a campaign. Now individuals from that campaign are being investigated. The crime has already been found to have happened.
Brexit was sold on outrageous lies.
You simply cannot dismiss outrageous fabrications like the £350M NHS red bus lie. Or the queues of "immigrants" fabrication.
Their effect goes far beyond those 2 examples as they helped create an atmosphere that fed the minds of people already doing it tough..millions and millions of them..that the EU was to blame when it's the actions of their own governments over the past 20 years both Conservative and new Labour.
But hey..the UK went into a war on blatant and proven lies in which 100,000s of innocents were killed and millions displaced causing the catastrophe of the refugee crisis where millions are flooding Europe and enough Brits now accept that even though they caused the problem and while Germany (who did not attack Iraq) does the hard work soaking up the majority of refugees Little Englanders still moan and groan about fantasy problems and ignore the real ones because basically..over the 30/40 years enough of them have been dumbed down and are basically thick and are the Turkeys Who Voted For Xmas.
And nothing happened to those who caused all those deaths (most are still in Parliament)
If they accept such a life-changing result built on outrageous and proven lies where the law was broken, then "democracy" is basically fucked.
In reality British democracy now is what a handful of foreign based media barons dictate to it.
It doesn't bother me what happens with Brexit. I've given up on the UK ..will still visit for special reasons but I don't find it a desirable destination any more. Too expensive beyond words..ghastly nouveau riche dominating every single aspect..the arts, music etc have been homogenized and all spontaneity has been beaten out of it...London used to be such a joy (still looks amazing ) but it's unbelievably dull and over-priced.
Maybe if Brexit goes ahead the place will get such a Reality slap in the face it could become interesting again...nothing like a depression and massive unemployment...throughout history it's when places start to party again like there's no tomorrow.
On the upside there are so many fabulous places to visit on the way to the UK (Berlin is thriving with a club scene reminiscent of 80s London)
And fortunately with my Irish passport (thanks Granny) it's so easy.
Have a cup of strong coffee and listen to some smooth music, and chill. It helps to temper emotional outbursts. |
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hedda |
PaulB's response sadly says it all.
The Brexit campaign has already been found to have broken the law.
That's as a campaign. Now individuals from that campaign are being investigated. The crime has already been found to have happened.
Brexit was sold on outrageous lies.
You simply cannot dismiss outrageous fabrications like the £350M NHS red bus lie. Or the queues of "immigrants" fabrication.
Their effect goes far beyond those 2 examples as they helped create an atmosphere that fed the minds of people already doing it tough..millions and millions of them..that the EU was to blame when it's the actions of their own governments over the past 20 years both Conservative and new Labour.
But hey..the UK went into a war on blatant and proven lies in which 100,000s of innocents were killed and millions displaced causing the catastrophe of the refugee crisis where millions are flooding Europe and enough Brits now accept that even though they caused the problem and while Germany (who did not attack Iraq) does the hard work soaking up the majority of refugees Little Englanders still moan and groan about fantasy problems and ignore the real ones because basically..over the 30/40 years enough of them have been dumbed down and are basically thick and are the Turkeys Who Voted For Xmas.
And nothing happened to those who caused all those deaths (most are still in Parliament)
If they accept such a life-changing result built on outrageous and proven lies where the law was broken, then "democracy" is basically fucked.
In reality British democracy now is what a handful of foreign based media barons dictate to it.
It doesn't bother me what happens with Brexit. I've given up on the UK ..will still visit for special reasons but I don't find it a desirable destination any more. Too expensive beyond words..ghastly nouveau riche dominating every single aspect..the arts, music etc have been homogenized and all spontaneity has been beaten out of it...London used to be such a joy (still looks amazing ) but it's unbelievably dull and over-priced.
Maybe if Brexit goes ahead the place will get such a Reality slap in the face it could become interesting again...nothing like a depression and massive unemployment...throughout history it's when places start to party again like there's no tomorrow.
On the upside there are so many fabulous places to visit on the way to the UK (Berlin is thriving with a club scene reminiscent of 80s London)
And fortunately with my Irish passport (thanks Granny) it's so easy. |
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PaulB |
hedda wrote:
there are several matters which really annoy me which are repeatedly ignored by Brexit promoters.
1. It was a non-binding referendum. Advisory only, No government has do something when the advice is advisory. While Treasury and other government depts advise the Government and they generally follow that advice but if that advice was found to be fraudulent or simply wrong it would be bizarre if a Government automatically followed..they are in charge for God's sake.
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2. It has now been proved that the Brexit campaign was conducted CRIMINALLY. Now under investigation by police.
If a politician or minister is accused of criminal acts they generally stand aside while an investigation takes place.
## except it's already been proved that aspects of Brexit were conducted CRIMINALLY.
The legal ramifications if more criminal actions are found would be horrendous. Any government could face crippling financial sanctions by industry and massive lawsuits if their business suffers (which it will). In other words the tax payer looses again.
3. Nearly 2 million Brits living in Europe were denied a vote. There are around 500,000 Brits living in Australasia- still British subjects- denied a vote.
To pretend that 16/ 17 year olds - adults these days- do NOT have a dire interest in what Brexit means for them on a new world is, I say not just mean but very Non-British.
4. Quite apart from the financial ramifications and dire results predicted for British citizens (not the rich though) the claim of..
" If we have another referendum and we don't like the result...do we then have another one"...for FUCK'S SAKE...the
next referendum can be A BINDING REFERENDUM unlike the last one which was ADVISORY.
All those point have been raised and discussed and, where appropriate, voted on.
The results of the referendum became article 50 which was voted on and became law so cannot be repealed without further acts of parliament, so things have gone way beyond 'advisory'.
Whether criminally activity has been proven cannot be established until after a trial. Innocent until proven guilty, remember?
Even if proven, I think the allegations involve the way a campaign was managed and would not effect the way people voted in the referendum. They seem to be more technical than practical.
When at school, our world is influenced mainly by family and school friends. I think it's right for school leavers to have a couple of years of experience of the bigger world to allow them space to form their own 'adult' opinions, based on those personal experiences. It's not just about age. |
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