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Topic History of: Harold Shipman
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steveimp "Evidence rock solid" - that reminds me of that wonderful line in Blackadder:

"I remember Massingbird's most famous case - the Case of the Bloody Knife.
A man was found next to the murdered body. He had the knife in his hand, thirteen witnesses had seen him stab the victim, and when the police arrived, he said, "I'm glad I killed the b******."
Massingbird not only got him off, he got him knighted in the New Years Honours list, and the relatives of the deceased had to pay to have the blood washed out of his jacket."

Cynicism is rife in this country - I haven't believed for a long time that every single person who is found "Guilty" of an offence in a court is actually "Guilty" of anything.
JK2006 My old friend Simon Bates used to say "the trouble with you JK is you always see the best in everyone" to which I would answer "that's a bad thing?".
chrissy I suppose it's a about getting the balance right. I'm not so sure about Rose West, but certainly Hindley suffered as a result of the tabloid scum. In my view she was as much a victim of Ian Brady as those children. The tabloids loved that photograph of her with the wild eyes and wild blonde hair; Myra= The Chld Killing Witch. I was just a bit concerned as I did feel that JK was leaving himself wide open to attack, but I've read what he had to say and what others have said here, and I understand more now. I'm not so convinced that are tabloid press could ever be a force for good. But Jonathan is the eternal optimist.
emmapeelfanclub That is very true JK - we are indeed the Media! "The Media" I referred to in my post was essentially television and papers who are a law unto themselves, but it is changing as you point out for we now have them urging their viewers and readers to send videos and photos that they can use in their stories. I read that when one guy noticed the Cutty Sark burning, the first thing he did was stand there and take pictures of it!

I take great heart from how so many many people have watched your videos, continue to support your work and the various reports you post about encounters with members of the public who are on your side. That does indeed speak volumes.

Good point also The Cat regarding Rose Wests' trial. I too was concerned and disgusted by the fact the main witnesses had mostly taken cash from the papers. Brian Masters' book "She Must Have Known" offers a fair depiction of that particular case, arguring why Rose should not had had to stand trial for Freds' crimes. The daughter I talked about unfortunately was one such case who went to the papers which probably helped harm her standing.

It is worth remembering that when Fred West knew he was going to be convicted he told his son and daughter in law to go to the papers and make as much money as they could out of them, as if in some way he was orchestrating the media blitz that followed. That certainly helped damage Roses' trial as well, especially when he committed suicide. "Somebody" had to pay for his crimes so Rose had to take the entire rap.
The Cat We must not forget that Fred West never stood trial and so the evidence was never properly heard. Legally, he died an innocent man. His wife was found guilty, but the thing which concerned me about her trial was that the main witnesses against her were promised a large media payout before they had even testified in court. In my opinion this damaged their credibility.

All fair minded people must surely have some tiny questions and doubts at the backs of their minds.