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[b]Honey wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]Wyot wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]robbiex wrote:[/b]
[quote]The government said that masks didn't make any difference because then we had a 2 metre social distancing rule, so that as long as you stay 2m away the masks will offer no more protection. However when we went to 1m+ mitigation the masks do offer some protection, stopping the larger droplets from been released. Also originally they didn't want us to wear masks because they didn't want them to be taken away from the NHS. Now we have larger supplies that is not an issue. Surgeons wear masks all the time, they are not doing it for fun.[/quote]

The Gov did not empahsise 2 metres or hospital shortages at the time.  The message was they don't protect anyone; and the basic ones don't: as recent studies have confirmed. Also as medics pointed out as this unfolded and they demanded and were provided with better kit.

So we are dealing with a Gov who will deliberately mislead us at every stage. A Gov who has openly accepted in a SAGE strategy doc that scaring us is a justified and desirable strategic aim.

What else are they misleading about...? What else might they be presenting in a certain way?

Could it be possible they are willing to terrify us in order to avoid the real issue of a massively undefunded nhs? That they built Nightingale hospitals without having any staff to work them? That they will allow the economy to flatline in order to try and save their sorry political hides because admitting mistakes is too much for them to do?[/quote]

I read something the other day that said that the government have actually sold off the equipment in the Nightingale "hospitals", but now I cant find it again. 
Does anyone know about this? It might well be nonsense of course.[/quote]

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Honey	Wyot wrote: robbiex wrote: The government said that masks didn't make any difference because then we had a 2 metre social distancing rule, so that as long as you stay 2m away the masks will offer no more protection. However when we went to 1m+ mitigation the masks do offer some protection, stopping the larger droplets from been released. Also originally they didn't want us to wear masks because they didn't want them to be taken away from the NHS. Now we have larger supplies that is not an issue. Surgeons wear masks all the time, they are not doing it for fun. The Gov did not empahsise 2 metres or hospital shortages at the time. The message was they don't protect anyone; and the basic ones don't: as recent studies have confirmed. Also as medics pointed out as this unfolded and they demanded and were provided with better kit. So we are dealing with a Gov who will deliberately mislead us at every stage. A Gov who has openly accepted in a SAGE strategy doc that scaring us is a justified and desirable strategic aim. What else are they misleading about...? What else might they be presenting in a certain way? Could it be possible they are willing to terrify us in order to avoid the real issue of a massively undefunded nhs? That they built Nightingale hospitals without having any staff to work them? That they will allow the economy to flatline in order to try and save their sorry political hides because admitting mistakes is too much for them to do? I read something the other day that said that the government have actually sold off the equipment in the Nightingale "hospitals", but now I cant find it again. Does anyone know about this? It might well be nonsense of course.
Honey	I have a tight fitting fully protective mask, and I am decontaminating my hands like billy-o, so I don't need to worry what shopkeepers are doing or if people have masks on or not. (The exception being when nurses are breathing directly in my face with their masks tucked under their chins)
Wyot	robbiex wrote: The government said that masks didn't make any difference because then we had a 2 metre social distancing rule, so that as long as you stay 2m away the masks will offer no more protection. However when we went to 1m+ mitigation the masks do offer some protection, stopping the larger droplets from been released. Also originally they didn't want us to wear masks because they didn't want them to be taken away from the NHS. Now we have larger supplies that is not an issue. Surgeons wear masks all the time, they are not doing it for fun. The Gov did not empahsise 2 metres or hospital shortages at the time. The message was they don't protect anyone; and the basic ones don't: as recent studies have confirmed. Also as medics pointed out as this unfolded and they demanded and were provided with better kit. So we are dealing with a Gov who will deliberately mislead us at every stage. A Gov who has openly accepted in a SAGE strategy doc that scaring us is a justified and desirable strategic aim. What else are they misleading about...? What else might they be presenting in a certain way? Could it be possible they are willing to terrify us in order to avoid the real issue of a massively undefunded nhs? That they built Nightingale hospitals without having any staff to work them? That they will allow the economy to flatline in order to try and save their sorry political hides because admitting mistakes is too much for them to do?
JK2006	Yes; when I mentioned this to Government (having bought a really good, tight, expensive mask in Feb; being in two vulnerable categories) they did a reverse ferret and said yes, don't buy a mask as they would all be needed as PPE by hospital staff. Since Day One it's been obvious to all except the gullibles that masks might be a tiny bit of help (I reckon 2%) and to avoid a virus which is only lethal to a tiny percentage (which included me) wearing one made sense but, like mine, not silly paper things but tight fitting, triple carbon filter ones sprayed regularly with spirit.
robbiex	The government said that masks didn't make any difference because then we had a 2 metre social distancing rule, so that as long as you stay 2m away the masks will offer no more protection. However when we went to 1m+ mitigation the masks do offer some protection, stopping the larger droplets from been released. Also originally they didn't want us to wear masks because they didn't want them to be taken away from the NHS. Now we have larger supplies that is not an issue. Surgeons wear masks all the time, they are not doing it for fun.