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[b]Honey wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]JK2006 wrote:[/b]
[quote]The "boat people" are not wealthy Honey. All those fleeing across the Mediterranean are not wealthy Honey. Most of the Rohinga are not wealthy. Most Afghans wishing to flee the Taliban have no money. That's why they flee to Kabul; they cannot afford to flee the country. If a neighbouring country were to offer sanctuary in return for enormous subsidies from us Western millionaires to set up calm, secure, healthy, potential sites (as Bangla Desh seems to be doing with that Island - but I think we should assist there too).[/quote]

The boat people are a damned sight wealthier than the ones left behind.

They are more than welcome in my eyes, but the ones who are poor, sick, old, downtrodden etc even more so.

It is not helping people to pick off the youngest and healthiest and most hard working. It is only helping yourself and giving you the satisfaction of the illusion of being inclusive.

("Yourself" being the country in general)[/quote]

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Topic History of: Ah WYOT hits the nail on the head
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Honey	Green Man wrote: [quote]Wyot wrote: Green Man wrote: JK2006 wrote: Turkmenistan seems to be a realistic place to seek asylum but again would they be letting in Taliban members without knowing it ? What we should be doing for anyone who now wishes to leave Afghanistan because of the horrors we have created, is to offer them safe passage to the UK/US funded and facilitated by us. In an ideal world, other countries would offer too a haven and refuge. If we can afford to launch billions of pounds of artillery at their country we can afford to do this; and if we can't that is our problem not theirs. The millions that protested against the war should mobilise and demand that our morally vacuous leaders grow up and take responsibility for their actions. Maybe they should live with George Bush and Tony Blair. Don't you think they have been through enough already?
Green Man	Speaking of heads.....
Wyot	The link between Biden's calamitous decision to suddenly withdraw from Afghanistan, the Plymouth shootings & Covid? The inability to hold apparantly contradictory thoughts in one head. Getting out of Afghanistan is "good" yes Joe we should never have been there, of course. But we were also preventing civil war and being there was also "good". We need to think harder about this situation. Plymouth gunman has done a terrible thing but has also been terribly let down. We need to think harder about this situation. Covid can kill people but is also benign. We need to think harder about this situation. But increasingly we can't; we respond not to reality, but our cognitive biases. The disjoin is dangerous and in all the cases above calamitous.
Green Man	Wyot wrote: [quote]Green Man wrote: JK2006 wrote: Turkmenistan seems to be a realistic place to seek asylum but again would they be letting in Taliban members without knowing it ? What we should be doing for anyone who now wishes to leave Afghanistan because of the horrors we have created, is to offer them safe passage to the UK/US funded and facilitated by us. In an ideal world, other countries would offer too a haven and refuge. If we can afford to launch billions of pounds of artillery at their country we can afford to do this; and if we can't that is our problem not theirs. The millions that protested against the war should mobilise and demand that our morally vacuous leaders grow up and take responsibility for their actions. Maybe they should live with George Bush and Tony Blair.
Wyot	Jo wrote: Sadly I suspect that if there's a new wave of Afghan refugees coming to Europe as a result of this it will stoke resentment and strengthen support for the far right (e.g. Marine Le Pen, AfD, hardline Conservatives). Yes I agree it will almost inevitably do so because across humanity in general there is a massive deficit in empathy, compassion & enlightened self-interest. It is all too easy to predict how the majority will react to any situation and manipulate them; whether political parties or the media.