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[b]Wyot wrote:[/b]
[quote]The WHO recommend countries follow the definition below for a Covid death:

"...a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed case (of Covid), unless there is a clear alternative that cannot be related to Covid-19 disease (e.g trauma)..."

I suppose this must be why we have "died with" because from the above you actually can't die [i]of[/i] Covid; or if you can this isn't included in the stats - which wouldn't make much sense... :dry:

I can't find a definition of "clinically compatible deaths".  Presumably anything to do with any vital organs shutting down as a result of the immune system going into overdrive.

You can be a Covid death even if no one knows whether you had Covid (probable). But people hit by buses shouldn't be included...

So Covid can cover most ways we can die in hospitals and the WHO aren't overly fussy about whether you had Covid or not to start with. If it looks like it, count it.

Now I am no medical expert...but surely this leaves a very significant margin for definitional over-reach? :huh:[/quote]

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Topic History of: This "highly infectious" new variant
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Honey	I think it will also miss out the cases that we are all familiar with when we say that someone was "never the same after they had" covid/pneumonia/flu or whatever. Not the direct cause, but sometimes it is the turning point. I suppose some will be included in the list of excess deaths, but how would you know if it was covid, flu, or Surrey police that caused the decline?
Wyot	JK2006 wrote: Has the world gone mad? I actually think it may have...
JK2006	So if someone is in the final stages of cancer and tests positive for Covid; then dies three weeks later, he or she is counted as a Covid death? As, I suppose, they would be if they caught a cold - "Death with a cold". Has the world gone mad?
Wyot	The WHO recommend countries follow the definition below for a Covid death: "...a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed case (of Covid), unless there is a clear alternative that cannot be related to Covid-19 disease (e.g trauma)..." I suppose this must be why we have "died with" because from the above you actually can't die of Covid; or if you can this isn't included in the stats - which wouldn't make much sense... I can't find a definition of "clinically compatible deaths". Presumably anything to do with any vital organs shutting down as a result of the immune system going into overdrive. You can be a Covid death even if no one knows whether you had Covid (probable). But people hit by buses shouldn't be included... So Covid can cover most ways we can die in hospitals and the WHO aren't overly fussy about whether you had Covid or not to start with. If it looks like it, count it. Now I am no medical expert...but surely this leaves a very significant margin for definitional over-reach?
Honey	Tim Griffiths wrote: Unfortunately, the death rates are at best misleading - a "Covid Death" is defined as "Death for any reason within 28 days of testing positive. Also, I understand that the UK's Office of National Statistics is about to change the definition of "Unvaccinated" from "someone who has received no covid vaccination", to "someone wo has been double jabbed, but has not yet had a booster" I think they changed this quite recently to a death where covid is listed high up as one of the causes on the death certificate. I think my friend who died of pneumonia following covid infection will be included in the latest figures, but the friend who took six weeks die of covid was not included last year. I don't know how it is possible to compare this year's figures to last years when we are not comparing the same thing?