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Topic History of: Ukraine
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Wyot	JK2006 wrote: As I said (see above)... now Russia say "if Ukraine agrees NOT to join NATO"... Casandra King, never listened to... Casandra I hope you are correct and the fact that it is pretty much impossible for Ukraine to rule out joining NATO is not the casus belli Putin is engineering in the coming meeting with Ukraine. He certainly won't want to invade after they join! So let's hope his end game is not annexing Ukraine. If it is then he is about to invade in about 3 days time...
JK2006	As I said (see above)... now Russia say "if Ukraine agrees NOT to join NATO"... Casandra King, never listened to...
Green Man	Wyot wrote: I think it likely that Putin is a rational agent (and yes I am sure astute with media manipulation) and if he can achieve his aims through manipulating tensions will and would rather avoid war. Where we perhaps disagree is the likelihood of the US (who cares what the UK's position is; why we continue to pose as a player is beyond me...) giving him what he wants. When he doesn't get that where does he go? Putin, while not the maniac often portrayed in the West, doesn't strike me as the type to put the lives of others above his own standing either. Let's hope some very smart people on both sides can come up with a compromise that allows both to retreart from this... WOuldn't be the first False Flag operation. I trust Russia more than I trust Boris and Biden. If Putin wanted a war he would of done it under Obama when Obama was winding Putin up.
Wyot	I think it likely that Putin is a rational agent (and yes I am sure astute with media manipulation) and if he can achieve his aims through manipulating tensions will and would rather avoid war. Where we perhaps disagree is the likelihood of the US (who cares what the UK's position is; why we continue to pose as a player is beyond me...) giving him what he wants. When he doesn't get that where does he go? Putin, while not the maniac often portrayed in the West, doesn't strike me as the type to put the lives of others above his own standing either. Let's hope some very smart people on both sides can come up with a compromise that allows both to retreart from this...
JK2006	I know as little about Ukraine as I know about Covid but I know a lot about media and manipulating media. It strikes me that Putin is brightly using media to create a better situation to achieve his goal. Do watch the new Munich film. Hitler using Czechoslovakia as a way to achieve results. If I'm wrong, Russia WILL invade. If I'm right you can expect a deal of some kind giving Russia more control and power over Ukraine (if you promise not to join NATO we'll withdraw, stop fighting, increase trade etc). But as I said, I know nothing.