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Topic History of: John Peel
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Green Man |
Wyot wrote:
[quote]Honey wrote:
MCR wrote:
We can (and should) do things differently now, but it is cruel and also pointless to judge people for what was acceptable at the time.
It was only acceptable in the circles he moved, it was not more widely acceptable or legal to get blow jobs off 13 year olds, even back then.
If a grubby man in a macintosh on the local estate back then paid a willing child for a blow job on their way home from school then no one would have found that anything but abhorrent.
(Honey I know you aren't arguing that isn't the case; I am just following my logic onwards...)
However, I do think we need some sensible amnesty about the past. As GM says it is only a matter of time before all the big stars back then will need to be cancelled.
Let the world just calm down and apply some common sense.
Peel himself seems to have admitted doing some bad things, but he also did many great things, and was loved by millions. The two can be true so don't rename anything - he earned his professional status by doing so much for music, and I agree that that status should not be vulnerable to the vagaries of the moral outrage response levels of the day.
But he did wrong as well, apparently. We need to live with both being true. And stop all the vitriolic condemnation and hysterical cancelling actions. Otherwise, for one "sin" or moral lapse or another, I am sure we can all be bloody cancelled....
As GM says it is only a matter of time before all the big stars back then will need to be cancelled.
It's going to happen with today's cancel culture and wokeness.
Give it time movies like Police Academy, Unlawful Entry, Colours, Die Hard, French Connection will be edited or not shown on TV.
Mick Jagger's film Performance will be also be rare,because the Stones loved young groupies. |
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Honey |
Wyot wrote:
[quote]Honey wrote:
MCR wrote:
We can (and should) do things differently now, but it is cruel and also pointless to judge people for what was acceptable at the time.
It was only acceptable in the circles he moved, it was not more widely acceptable or legal to get blow jobs off 13 year olds, even back then.
If a grubby man in a macintosh on the local estate back then paid a willing child for a blow job on their way home from school then no one would have found that anything but abhorrent.
(Honey I know you aren't arguing that isn't the case; I am just following my logic onwards...)
However, I do think we need some sensible amnesty about the past. As GM says it is only a matter of time before all the big stars back then will need to be cancelled.
Let the world just calm down and apply some common sense.
Peel himself seems to have admitted doing some bad things, but he also did many great things, and was loved by millions. The two can be true so don't rename anything - he earned his professional status by doing so much for music, and I agree that that status should not be vulnerable to the vagaries of the moral outrage response levels of the day.
But he did wrong as well, apparently. We need to live with both being true. And stop all the vitriolic condemnation and hysterical cancelling actions. Otherwise, for one "sin" or moral lapse or another, I am sure we can all be bloody cancelled....
Fifteen, Wyot, not thirteen. His wife (so it must have been legal) was fifteen as was the girl who claimed to be pregnant.
I took his mention of thirteen year olds as for dramatic effect, and it is quite unlikely that teenagers were queuing up to be defiled, because he looked exactly like a boiled egg!  |
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Wyot |
Honey wrote:
[quote]MCR wrote:
We can (and should) do things differently now, but it is cruel and also pointless to judge people for what was acceptable at the time.
It was only acceptable in the circles he moved, it was not more widely acceptable or legal to get blow jobs off 13 year olds, even back then.
If a grubby man in a macintosh on the local estate back then paid a willing child for a blow job on their way home from school then no one would have found that anything but abhorrent.
(Honey I know you aren't arguing that isn't the case; I am just following my logic onwards...)
However, I do think we need some sensible amnesty about the past. As GM says it is only a matter of time before all the big stars back then will need to be cancelled.
Let the world just calm down and apply some common sense.
Peel himself seems to have admitted doing some bad things, but he also did many great things, and was loved by millions. The two can be true so don't rename anything - he earned his professional status by doing so much for music, and I agree that that status should not be vulnerable to the vagaries of the moral outrage response levels of the day.
But he did wrong as well, apparently. We need to live with both being true. And stop all the vitriolic condemnation and hysterical cancelling actions. Otherwise, for one "sin" or moral lapse or another, I am sure we can all be bloody cancelled.... |
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Honey |
MCR wrote:
I see there's suggestion they should re-name the stage the Janice Long stage
well Janice and Peely were great mates and they're probably up there having
a right laugh together thinking how glad they are to be out of this crazyness.
In ten years when they have banned all alcohol we will be having this conversation about them removing Janice Long's name because she liked a couple of ciders.  |
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Honey |
MCR wrote:
My last post didn't come out right.
What it looks like to me having read the article is these women were just groupies who now
regret their actions and now suddenly revising their memories and say they were abused
when they weren't at the time.
Memories being revised again.
I think this sort of thing can harm genuine rape/abuse victims which is not on.
I am sure we all knew what you meant, MCR.
While it seems incredible that we were once so insensitive to the needs of young teenagers, it was a time not too far away from the war, when those of an age we now call a child were out fighting, and at fourteen you were expected to be out working.
It was also considered "your own stupid fault" if you let anything happen.
We can (and should) do things differently now, but it is cruel and also pointless to judge people for what was acceptable at the time. |
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