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[b]Wyot wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]Rick wrote:[/b]
[quote]I'll write it again, more slowly: relativism is not relevant here. It's not about opinions. Terrorism and freedom fighting...take a deep breath...are objectively not the same thing. Truly. It's a very basic part of political understanding. If you use terror, it's not freedom fighting, regardless of what side you think you're on. It's astounding some journalists have come this far witho[i][/i]ut understanding this really basic distinction.[/quote]

But the concepts of [i][/i]freedom/occupation/terror[i] have to be established first in order to get to the objectivity you claim. And they are subjective.

Claims for objectivity from subjectivity has a fishy smell; best avoided my old fruit.

My tip is to adopt an opinion that Hamas and Israeli leaders are evil murdering motherfuckers.

Much easier and means you can cease your fruitless quest for objectivity through words; and can start looking the only place it can be found: mathematics.[/quote]

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Topic History of: If you were Hamas... if you were Israel
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Wyot	Rick wrote: I'll write it again, more slowly: relativism is not relevant here. It's not about opinions. Terrorism and freedom fighting...take a deep breath...are objectively not the same thing. Truly. It's a very basic part of political understanding. If you use terror, it's not freedom fighting, regardless of what side you think you're on. It's astounding some journalists have come this far without understanding this really basic distinction. But the concepts of freedom/occupation/terror[i] have to be established first in order to get to the objectivity you claim. And they are subjective. Claims for objectivity from subjectivity has a fishy smell; best avoided my old fruit. My tip is to adopt an opinion that Hamas and Israeli leaders are evil murdering motherfuckers. Much easier and means you can cease your fruitless quest for objectivity through words; and can start looking the only place it can be found: mathematics.
Rick	I'll write it again, more slowly: relativism is not relevant here. It's not about opinions. Terrorism and freedom fighting...take a deep breath...are objectively not the same thing. Truly. It's a very basic part of political understanding. If you use terror, it's not freedom fighting, regardless of what side you think you're on. It's astounding some journalists have come this far without understanding this really basic distinction.
Green Man	Wyot wrote: Yes all leaders around the world, it seems, coming down on one side of this argument or another. Not on the side that most of us are on - humanity. But what do we do? Where are we? We saw the pro Palestinians in London yesterday. Where are the 70 odd million - just taking the UK - who just want this shit to stop? Ukraine are now pissed off their billions of hryvnya from the West has slowed down and no longer in the limelight. If the GI Joe lookalike will stage an incident to get Biden to pay out. USA is going bankrupt like the UK.
JK2006	It is crazy - and even the majority online are just those who shout loudest and think shortest. Social media has given voice to the voiceless but sadly a majority of the voiceless do not deserve to have their thoughts heard as they are opinions made without thought.
Wyot	Yes all leaders around the world, it seems, coming down on one side of this argument or another. Not on the side that most of us are on - humanity. But what do we do? Where are we? We saw the pro Palestinians in London yesterday. Where are the 70 odd million - just taking the UK - who just want this shit to stop?