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[b]Green Man wrote:[/b]
[quote]Starmer is following Blair and Brown, I feel like I have gone back in time 20 years. Arm foreign nations to the teeth, invade and ASBOS to kids. The police can't do much if kids are underage, I think in Greece the parents also have to go to court if their child did something illegal.

I remember seeing a TV show about the Oakley brothers, their Dad was pretty much a deadbeat and played the victim a lot. He was also very homophobic and never showed the boys any affection. I also remember seeing clips of them on Jeremy Kyle, While Kyle had a word with the lads, he tore into the father even when his son came out he looked disgusted. All their antics would have been avoided if he knew how to be a Dad, it's like they were yobs to get attention.

Getting an ASBO was a badge of honour to many. In the article only a handful of them have not committed crimes since maturing some have grown up even more bloodless and sadistic.

Another problem is that parents want to be cool parents instead of being lame and authoritative they want to be their children's buddies and get them involved in their parent's criminality.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7150959/Craig-Barstow-Craig-Fletcher-jailed-life-filming-torture-killing-Gavin-Barnes.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14114371/original-ASBO-kids-Keir-Starmer-Blair-murder-rape.html[/quote]

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Topic History of: ASBOS
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Author	Message
Wyot	Yes and we need leaders who aren't vulnerable to election cycles and media influence. Who can implement long term change. I don't know how this looks exactly, but I think the world now desperately needs a paradigm shift. Our leaders must become above the media wind, the 2 second attention span smart phone people, the us and them/zero sum arguments. And then we need a world modelled like this! I would put myself forward but I am too busy posting here...
Green Man	Sally Nice wrote: Those living in the vicinity of antisocial residents are very grateful for the existence of ASBOS, which are specific and actionable. You can give one yob an ASBO another one will take it's place. ASBO's were a badge of honor like report cards at school.
JK2006	Good for you WYOT - join the club. Democracy doesn't work anymore. People usually vote for the wrong reasons. I changed my Mayor of London from Ken Livingston (who I liked as a person - wrong reason) to Boris (when Ken decided to tax Rolls Royces). Wrong but understandable. We should vote for someone we believe will - OVERALL - be good for a city or a country. Very few of us do.
Wyot	Yes it's so predictable, so dull isn't it. An interesting and fresh perspective would be for a PM to look at why so many in society are anti-social? Yes solutions to this would have to be long term and involve suggesting to people that they aren't entitled, aren't the centre of the Universe and their parenting and diets may be shit... I can't imagine why a self-serving career politician won't do this. I am actually starting to think that democracy is a major problem in itself.
Sally Nice	Those living in the vicinity of antisocial residents are very grateful for the existence of ASBOS, which are specific and actionable.