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Topic History of: Pound worth next to nothing
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Green Man |
Wyot wrote:
[quote]Rich wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Yet actually if I remember back we were being told that our own futures around about now were all going to be far simpler and more straightforward in so many ways, as well as leisurely. But many seem to be on an ever increasing circular hamsters wheel running ever faster but continuing to go nowhere.
I suppose in some ways these times are easier, simpler times. Many of us can work at home a lot more, don't have to go to the shops but can have all goods delivered to our homes at the click of a button. Have personal relationships with sexbots.
But I think we feel distressed because all value in terms of human interactions and relationships is lost in the process.
We are de-humanizing.
I agree Wyot, even shop staff are getting more rude and abrupt. People don't bother leaving doors open when people leave shops even if you have your hands full.
My partner used to like donating to charity shops when we do annual declutter. My partner does buy too many clothes but it's never fast fashion brands and trends. The shop manager looked at the bag, sneered and took it upstairs. No appreciation or even a thank you.
She is now going to try to sell her clothes on marketplaces. Charity shops are not what they used to be and are getting very expensive. |
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Wyot |
Rich wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
Yet actually if I remember back we were being told that our own futures around about now were all going to be far simpler and more straightforward in so many ways, as well as leisurely. But many seem to be on an ever increasing circular hamsters wheel running ever faster but continuing to go nowhere.
I suppose in some ways these times are easier, simpler times. Many of us can work at home a lot more, don't have to go to the shops but can have all goods delivered to our homes at the click of a button. Have personal relationships with sexbots.
But I think we feel distressed because all value in terms of human interactions and relationships is lost in the process.
We are de-humanizing. |
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Rich |
Wyot wrote:
RICH - thank you for taking the time to address my question.
Yes immigration was clearly the biggie for a lot of people and I do understand that when a seemingly positive notion such as freedom of movement rubs up against finite resources that something gives.
I am of the age you reference (52) and do also yearn, at times, for "simpler" times. Yet I also wonder if perhaps this is just what happens as we age and tire of change.
I do think that the borders issue was never going to be resolved simply by leaving the EU.
More than happy to answer you.
It's an interesting point you make, and perhaps everyone has that same feeling once they reach their 40's and 50's. I remember in the 1980's and my parents and grandparents talking of the 1950's and earlier as simpler times too and the 1980's seeming so modern and fraught in comparison. So everything is relative maybe, and 2020's teenagers might be considering this period a simpler time by the 2050's or 2060's also. Yet actually if I remember back we were being told that our own futures around about now were all going to be far simpler and more straightforward in so many ways, as well as leisurely. But many seem to be on an ever increasing circular hamsters wheel running ever faster but continuing to go nowhere. |
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Wyot |
RICH - thank you for taking the time to address my question.
Yes immigration was clearly the biggie for a lot of people and I do understand that when a seemingly positive notion such as freedom of movement rubs up against finite resources that something gives.
I am of the age you reference (52) and do also yearn, at times, for "simpler" times. Yet I also wonder if perhaps this is just what happens as we age and tire of change.
I do think that the borders issue was never going to be resolved simply by leaving the EU. |
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Rich |
Wyot, I will give you just one bit of my own thinking that I remember doing as I actually walked to the polling station on that day.
Freedom of movement was going through my mind. Lots of people were saying how awful to stop foreigners from mainland Europe coming here into the UK as they wish and to do what they like and simply stay. But as I walked to vote I turned it around on myself, and my thinking on that specific part of being in the EU was that I should not have any right myself to go abroad into mainland Europe and simply show up and do as I please and to live forever more in one of those countries if I chose to. There should be rules and a threshold and I should have to prove my worth to live in another nation, and they should be able to actively choose if I should enter and remain, or live there indefinitely. Like Brits would have to do even to go live in Australia for example, the rules are strict even for those of us from the mother country.
Being in the EU we were defenceless against the idiocy of other countries leaders, such as Merkel in Germany just waving in a million migrants, who once in Germany could flood everywhere else within the EU, including here. No thanks!
Borders matter.
I also looked at it like this. If a new neighbour moved into your road, would you expect them by having done so, to have automatic rights to your own property, to use the garden, your driveway, come into your living room, use the toilet, kitchen etc? Just because they moved into the same road you live in. Of course not, but that's EU Freedom of movement for you at a street level and it's total nonsense.
As for wanting a return to the past, well often we wear rose tinted glasses when looking back but some things are worth cherishing. A lot of quite young people only in their 40s and 50s now talk about simpler times in the past when things were better and less fraught. This is not a bunch of 80 somethings wanting a return to the 50's. Despite all our hi-tech around us, something is very wrong with modern living for so many and none of it has made anyone any happier, quite the reverse I'd say, and I'm an 80's teenager who hates cricket! |
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