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[b]Al wrote:[/b]
[quote]I can only speak about my own region, but the pubs round here have genuinely increased their business since the smoking ban. That might be pure coincidence and due to other factors, but they certainly haven't suffered any loss following the legislation.

I also hear reports from Ireland, which banned smoking in pubs long before we did, that after an initial dip in trade the pubs are now as busy as they ever were.

It amuses me when smokers argue that they only smoke one cigarette while in the pub. If there are ten other smokers in the same room, then each smoker will also be taking in the fumes equal to an extra five cigarettes, so the ban is also for their benefit. I personally avoided pubs which were packed with smokers. Now I can go visit more often, and I'm not alone in that. Also, known smokers of my aquaintance still visit the pubs and manage to survive without drawing on their ciggies. For most it was more of a habit than a necessity. They still enjoy their night out, and they go home without stinking of stale ash.

ITK, I don't think anyone ever died from secondary praying. That's not exactly a reasonable comparison.[/quote]

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Topic History of: Smoking Ban being openly flouted ?
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JC	Well my local is dong ok so far. Same old regulars plus a few newbies. Nothing seems to have changed here apart from the air being cleaner. Can't complain.
In The Know	Al wrote: I can only speak about my own region, but the pubs round here have genuinely increased their business since the smoking ban. That might be pure coincidence and due to other factors, but they certainly haven't suffered any loss following the legislation. Earnst & Young today said firms issuing profit warnings (ie warning about a slump in trade) have rocketed - and at the top0 of the list is the brewing / leisure industry. << The retail sector suffered badly, with an annual total of a record breaking 47 profit warnings, and so too did the leisure industry, including pub chains. Ernst & Young said wet weather and "regulatory changes" like the smoking ban were largely to blame for deterring drinkers. >>> Taken from - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7185603.stm That doesn't sound like a huge success to me ! I mentioned earlier, that breweries are quite good at guaging their customers - if at any time they thought smoke-free pubs would work - why have they never introduced them? Because they knew it was commercial suicide !
Anthony	I don't know which region you live in, Al, but since the ban came in, three out of the fourteen pubs in my small town have already closed. I don't know which smokers said they only smoked one fag in a pub, but I used to smoke loads and loved every one of them, and I certainly don't appreciate people telling me what is or isn't for my benefit. I'm fully aware of the health risks. I gave up smoking for three months in 1989, the most miserable and depressing three months of my life, and decided to start smoking again and have never looked back. And I don't still enjoy my night out in a pub. It's an ordeal, and I only do it once in a while, so as not to lose touch with my friends and end up with no social life. By the way, there is no reliable medical evidence to prove the evils of passive smoking. If a non-smoker shares a house with a chain smoker, then maybe, but sitting in a non-smoking area of a pub with some smokers in the distance? I don't think so. 99% of lung cancer victims are smokers, and lung cancer existed before tobacco was smoked. Do the math, as the Yankers say!
In The Know	Solihull Exile wrote: I say the choice should be left up to individual bars,we can easily vote with our feet,and frequent the places we feel best fit our needs. Exactly ! (Good luck with giving up, btw !)
Al	I can only speak about my own region, but the pubs round here have genuinely increased their business since the smoking ban. That might be pure coincidence and due to other factors, but they certainly haven't suffered any loss following the legislation. I also hear reports from Ireland, which banned smoking in pubs long before we did, that after an initial dip in trade the pubs are now as busy as they ever were. It amuses me when smokers argue that they only smoke one cigarette while in the pub. If there are ten other smokers in the same room, then each smoker will also be taking in the fumes equal to an extra five cigarettes, so the ban is also for their benefit. I personally avoided pubs which were packed with smokers. Now I can go visit more often, and I'm not alone in that. Also, known smokers of my aquaintance still visit the pubs and manage to survive without drawing on their ciggies. For most it was more of a habit than a necessity. They still enjoy their night out, and they go home without stinking of stale ash. ITK, I don't think anyone ever died from secondary praying. That's not exactly a reasonable comparison.