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Topic History of: Excellent Louis Theroux show on BBC2 San Quentin Prison
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Al wrote:
Interesting discussion.
The Human Rights Act protects the innocent more than the guilty. While it might help some guilty to escape conviction, that's more to do with the authorities not having prepared their case properly than anything else. If you are ever wrongly arrested you'll then appreciate your human rights being protected. Remove them from one person and you remove them from everyone. No point in crying after you've willingly spilled your milk.
Right On, Brother ! - Just ask the Guantanamo folks what its like having no rights !(Very good comment, btw) |
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chrissy |
I mean to say 'balance might be the dirty word'...not 'balance is the dirty word'. |
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Al |
Interesting discussion.
I note when The Cat says that we are all capable of committing crimes, Pete argues against him, then goes on to say ".  Every crime is justifiable in the mind of the one who commits it, but killing criminals is itself a crime, so Pete you shot yourself in the foot there.
Carl, I think some victims would agree that their attackers seem like nice chaps, because that's often how the offender got close to them in the first place. Everything gets more black and white in hindsight.
I also doubt that prison is a deterent. If it was, we wouldn't be seeing the same people returning time after time. With more prison places we are still witnessing a rise in crime. Even making prison tougher probably wouldn't make much difference because I doubt any criminal sets out with the intention of being caught. The only deterent is to have an active police or security presence. This wouldn't stop the most hardened criminal, but it could cut down on chancers and the small timers who would otherwise grow into big timers. I'm sure most people would prefer not become victims in the first place rather than be told the offender will be given a tough sentence. Too late then.
The Human Rights Act protects the innocent more than the guilty. While it might help some guilty to escape conviction, that's more to do with the authorities not having prepared their case properly than anything else. If you are ever wrongly arrested you'll then appreciate your human rights being protected. Remove them from one person and you remove them from everyone. No point in crying after you've willingly spilled your milk. |
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chrissy |
Balance is the dirty word Carl...not rights. We all should have rights, as we all might need them. I think the cases of Stefan Kiskow, Barry George (what is happening to him is disgraceful)as just two examples. The point being is that there are things in place to try and prevent baddies from hurting us. There is nothing can be done if the system tries to hurts us. It is their word against Gods. And God I'm afraid doesnt exist and has no say in the matter. Well, he might and then they'd say you were mad and bang you in Broadmoor. |
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The Cat wrote:
A couple of years ago a young boy was murdered with an axe, for no apparant reason. While many people, most who'd nenver met him, called for his killer to be 'strung up', his mother spoke of forgivness. She was a fine example to us all - even though some people are more comfortable with hatred.
I think you are referring to the murder of Anthony Walker, in Liverpool. His mother called for foregiveness.
(btw - One of the people jailed for this murder was the brother of footballer Joey Barton - Barton, you will remember has recently spent some days in prison on remand awaiting trial on affray charges (with yet another brother, I believe). |
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