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[b]Wyot wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]hedda wrote:[/b]
[quote]I once read a book by the late Australian historian [b]Barbara Thiering[/b] who was considered an expert on the origins of the Christian Church.

She claims many things in the Bible are misunderstood or badly interpreted or were incorrectly translated.

Two things I still remember-

She says the term "virgin" originally meant that a married women had not had her first child yet and it was not about sex.

Therefore Jesus was just Mary's first born and not some miracle birth.

Also that Jesus "walked on water"..there was tradition of Rabbis building a platform out into the sea just beneath the waves on which they walked and blessed the ocean for providing fish.

Therefore Jesus did not perform some miracle rather "walked on water" in the role of a Rabbi.

There was much more. But perhaps he was an alien.

I just love the passages in [b]Ezekial[/b] where his "visions" sound for all the world like an encounter with a modern spaceship and figures in spacesuits.[/quote]

Interesting post Hedda thanks and I may look that book up.

The translation from Hebrew into Greek has led to a lot of misunderstanding. Covet doesn't just mean sneaking a look at your neighbours wife; it means a destructive lust to take something from your neighbour.

I read a fascinating book on the life of Jesus by A.N Wilson.

I remember that the word for carpenter actually encompassed a range of trades, including construction. Rabbis (teachers) would often work in trade as well. When "tekton" was used to describe Jesus it may have just meant he was a teacher.

Yet a humble carpenter he will forever now be...[/quote]

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hedda	Green Man wrote: I am more interested in what the Vatican is hiding, why they allow sexual abuse to swept under the rug, where the funds cae from to help fund Nazi Germany and helped Hitler and his croonies to move to South America. You can do your own research, Hedda. The Vatican may have had a murky WW2 history but blaming the present occupants is like blaming today's Germans for the Nazi atrocities. You do tend to make the most wide sweeping accusations as though every Catholic priest is somehow to blame for offending priest's actions or even the past. There are tens of 1000s of priests with 1000s working for board and keep in Third World countries aiding the poor and wretched. Thinking one priest in Africa could know a priest in the UK is a sex offender is ridiculous.
Green Man	I am more interested in what the Vatican is hiding, why they allow sexual abuse to swept under the rug, where the funds cae from to help fund Nazi Germany and helped Hitler and his croonies to move to South America. You can do your own research, Hedda.
hedda	I dislike Dawkins as much as I dislike comedian Ricky Gervais (even though I loved The Office). Their atheist views are ridiculous. No-one can actually know if there is an after life or not. I went to a Gervais show years ago. His snide insults & unmitigated arrogance in the way he sent up & insulted Christians was so ugly. I noted his religious "jokes" did not get the same response of the rest of his act which was good. Of course they are entitled to their atheist beliefs but they arrogantly mock those who think otherwise when they couldn't possibly (like me) know the reality . Of course even though I tend to believe in an afterlife, I can't prove it and may not be 100% sure. I'm as ignorant of what the reality might be and the next person. I guess I'm an agnostic. The vast majority of Christians do not shove their beliefs down people's throats. Not even The Pope. Yet the world looks on with fascination at the Catholic Church's theatrics. There are over a billion Catholics and another billion Christians. There are 2 billion Muslims..Millions of Buddhists. 100s of millions Hindus. Majority of these religious respect the other ones or like Muslims, claim The Bible is a religious text and Jesus was a prophet. Are they all deluded? How could we know? I will however get to know for sure pretty soon I think. I'm quite looking forward to it. So very tired of looking for parking spots in over-crowded Bondi.
Wyot	Green Man wrote: I answered your question and gave reasons why. My question was how you came to believe something (God does not exist) when you said we should believe nothing? And your answer is that we in fact should believe something - God does not exist - because there is evil/wrong doing in the world? Okay I will roll with it... 1. If there was only goodness in the world would this mean there was a God? 2. If there was mostly goodness in the world would this mean there was more possibility of a God? 2. What if there is a God and he is malevolent and acting entirely in character by not intervening in Auschwitz? 3. What if there is a loving God but she is not omnipotent and can't intervene in Auschwitz? 4. If there is a Christian God (the one you are assuming I mean) then he created a deeply moral Universe, with free will for mankind as a determinant condition. This means he will not intervene in Auschwitz. 5. If there is a Christian God then of course he would not have saved his son; the death of Jesus and resurrection was the whole point!
Green Man	I answered your question and gave reasons why.