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[b]Al wrote:[/b]
[quote]It's a fact that kids have sex, and yes a 12 year old boy can produce enough sperm to father a child. Some mature sexually faster than others, despite their youthful appearance.

This baby has been born. The last thing she or her young parents need is self righteous social dictators and politicians calling for arrests and prosecution. How would that undo what's happened? I'm amazed, although I shouldn't be, that The Sun plastered them all over their front page. The only positive thing about that might be that The Sun have paid a large sum to the family for their exclusive story and video footage which can be used to support the child. But I think the negatives from the publicity might outweigh that positive in the long term.

The Stedmans live quite close to my sister. They are nothing like the Matthews family, and my limited experience of Alfie suggests he's a nice, normal kid .. although I would never have expected this to happen, at least not yet.

How do we stop kids from having sex? Not by making laws, or by locking them up. The short answer is that we can't. It's happened for centuries. We can just encourage them not to, and try explain why, but kids will still play on the ice and run along the railway tracks. At least Alfie hasn't commited murder or become a drug dealer.

What's done is done. They now need support, not condemnation. This way the kids stand more chance of growing into decent adults, and the baby can develop in a more stable and happy atmosphere.

Learn from the past (though mankind seldom does), and plan for a better future.[/quote]

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Topic History of: 12 year old Dad
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BR	the "here is one I made earlier" argument is surely not applicable. The Sun by offering money condones an illegal act and therefore is party to it. Can you imagine someone saying "But I paid the prositute AFTER we had sex so it was not prostitution or grooming" - Grooming can take place by setting people up to think that they may get rich and/or famous by illegal and innapropriate behaviour. How do we know that the parents of these kids are not videoing their sex sessions and streaming them on the internet ? Sounds quite possible based on their other actions. The POLICE need to put their foot down and arrest the lot of them and do a proper investigation - rather than laugh it off as having nothing to do with them. From what I can see this is the media and the authorities conspiring to condone under-age sex. This is how child abuse happens - this is the real story underneath the sensationalism. These two kids have had their lives turned upside down and inside out by the adults around them offering no protection - just money to titilate everyone else.
Emma Bee	No, I did get that point and I did touch on it. I really don't see how this would incite other kids to go have sex, if they are not already doing it. For one thing, a similar story would not be as newsworthy because it's already yesterday's topic, unless they could beat the age by the boy being even younger, but that's highly unlikely. I agree that they have exploited the children, but I don't agree that this would incite others. If they put a front page ad offering money to anyone who could match or beat Alfie's age then that would be incitement. Otherwise, you may as well say that any time they pay for a story they are inciting others to go copy whatever the story is about. That would be nonsense.
JK2006	No Emma you miss the point - it is clear incitement for others, influenced by the coverage, to break the law. And the only commentator to even dare touch on the issues - very lightly... www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentato...o-blame-1609182.html
Emma Bee	If another 12yo boy fathers a child it won't be such a sensation and so I doubt there'd be any mass payout by the media for the story. An 11yo, yet a lower age, might be a story but the chances of that being possible are rather low. I don't think any paper paid the kids to have sex, so I don't see it as an incitement. They have paid real criminals for their stories, usually after time served, and it isn't seen as inciting others to become criminals so they can milk the media afterwards. I'm all for bashing Murdoch but I think you are rather stretching things with words like incitement and grooming. Who did the paper pay to have sex, BR? I think the kids had already had sex nine months earlier.
JK2006	Yes BR you are right and JC I repeat; the criminal act of incitement is that, by doing what they did, The Sun are inciting other children (and, more important, greedy parents like Matthews) to rut like rabbits, produce babies and apply to The Sun for THEIR photos to be bought and stories to be set up - SIX YEAR OLD FATHERS CHILD BY EIGHT YEAR OLD! - exclusive from Wade and Murdoch morality preachers Ltd... It is grossly irresponsible and if this kind of child abuse is not protected by the full weight of the law, it should be, but can you see Brown or Cameron or Smith or any other backboneless politicos saying this? Or doing something about it? Or the toothless PCC?