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Topic History of: Locked Out : Brown Speech
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Locked Out	Veritas And BR; In the light of JK's plea for peace what I am about to say may look terribly like diplomacy taken to an almost ridiculous level. However, I would draw your attention to the fact that I have never... never... supported the campaign in Afghanistan - as I think I have said many times here - and this should be borne in mind in making judgements of the following words. I agree with everything in both of your last submissions here. Hope that doesn't look craven, and I'd recommend that you look back on my previous outings for proof of the sincerity of that statement.
BR	It was even stranger that DAVID CAMERON then said that it was to fight Al Quaida. There are no training camps in Afganistan and have not been since 2001. There are some in Pakistan yet we are not at war with Pakistan. Therefore even CAMERON seems to have totally lost his marbles about this. Why can ALL three of our major parties not see that WAR IN AFGANISTAN is a) Not winnable ( Russia failed ) b) A waste of time and money to fight over a mountainous region with no resources. c) Strategically questionable ( there is no route and no oil here ) d) The enemy is a small force of Guerilla fighters who back an extremist religious organisation ( Yawn ) they are discredited in any case. e) Afganistan itself destroys more lives each year because of its POPPY crop and the drug trade. f ) More people DIE EACH YEAR in the UK from the HEROIN made in Afganistan yet our troops are not protecting us from that by destroying all these crops and making Heroin a thing of the past. So once again our politicians are showing that they have not really looked into this war. They are out of touch with reality and the people of the UK want to get out of the war. Last night 78% of those who had voted in a Daily Mail poll were against the war and wanted to pull out. A few more deaths and that will go up to 90%. Time to end this silly war and save our lads lives.
veritas	to the contrary..the Taliban are also Afghanis and it's us that invaded them with absolutely no moral right. Whatever one thinks about Al Qaeda (whoever they are..a bunch of loosley connected dissident groups lumped together as one terrorist bunch)..I reckon the Taliban have every right to fight their invaders any way they can. If that means going into the invaders country to cause havoc that is what happens in war. To think they won't do otherwise defies all human history. Of course it's forgotten that just after 9/11, the Taliban ( a pretty retrograde nasty bunch but nonetheless the government of Afghanistan ) said they would hand over Bin Laden to the USA if proof was provided that he was responsible for that horrific event. That sounds pretty reasonable to me and lawful. That proof was never forthcoming-indeed it's never been given to the world. They then offered to hand him over to a third Islamic country for trial. What they got in response was an invasion and devestation. That's the same Taliban government that were feted at the White House 9 months previously by George W.Bush and handsomely rewarded for their efforts in seeing of that other superpower-Russia. If Gordon Brown thinks he will defeat them then he is bonkers..no-one else ever has or is likely to. But of course he's merely spouting platitudes to make up for the deaths of British soldiers with shonky equipment-sent by politicians who spend more on their duck ponds and mortgages. As Naom Chomsky says-"the way to stop terrorists is to stop being one yourself" Robert Fisk's 'The Great War for Civilisation' is the most comprehensive book on the recent decades of Afghan history especially as he 's covered all the conflicts there and agrees-no western country will ever win a war there. But the conflict could bring about the collapse of the Pakistan regime..then Gordon Brown should really worry..and so should all of us.
Locked Out	Today Brown has just said to Parliament. " we are fighting against the Taliban to keep the streets of Britain free from Terrorism " It's clear to me {and I'm no fan of either the government or the war in Afghanistan} that he was referring to the cosy relationship between the Taliban and Al Q'aida and the running of terrorist training camps by the latter being permitted by the former. What is also clear is that the labelling of anyone who can easily see that as "mad" is quite a strange argument to make.
veritas	did he really say that ? if he did I agree..he's nuts if he believes people will believe him. The Taliban and which navy ?