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[b]BR wrote:[/b]
[quote]To correct you - Mary was around 13 years old when she bore Jesus.

Not only that she did have other children as the bible makes clear.

There was no age of consent laws until recent times. Puberty and betrothal were the markers for sex.

This method is the one given in the bible - where sex is for marriage.

I realise this is a deeply &quot;uncool&quot; view of sex - especially in a society which prizes sex as the ultimate leisure activity.....but the educational principles behind a relationship are very sound.

Sex leads to children. Children thrive in a family situation where TWO parents represent the role models of both sexes.

Much of the meltdown in our society is because &quot;modern  law making&quot; has decided to make laws that are bad.

For instance - if you teach a 10 year old who has reached puberty about sex ( which is represented in our schools as a leisure activity NOT a committment in any way to marriage or another person ) then that 10 year old may well decide to go and act on it and try it out.   That is a natural thing to do but has obvious serious consequences.

We have 16 - 20 year olds who have basically slept with half their year at school and many of the older lads in their area.  This is factual and something the Government hides and covers up.  I suggest you talk to some teenage girls or boys about the &quot;sex lives&quot; that are occurring.

That is another reason why in schools we have highly sexed 14 and 15 year olds who see their teachers and support staff as legitimate targets - and often more attractive than those their own age.

By manipulating the laws of the bible and creating a sex without love and consequences idea - sex has been seperated from its purpose which was to unite two people in a relationship in order to provide a stable upbringing for a family and to provide for them.

What we have now are millions of single mothers and fathers living off benefits because their casual approach to sex has left them literally holding the baby.  The rest of us are paying via tax and work for their upkeep and thus we are supporting this crazy system.

If we taught morality and the purpose of sex and marriage in schools rather than a cold state sanitised version of leisure sex and contraception then our society may mend itself.

This is a flaw in CAMERON's GREAT PLAN - he thinks words will heal society. He is wrong.  Until we look again at this major problem and make sex special and for marriage and teach that - we will see generations of lives ruined.

I am not advocating loveless marriage and all the awfulness that goes with it.  But there needs to be a blueprint which youngsters can aspire to and that include Civil Partnerships I might add.  I dont want to see a return to the dark days of arranged marriages - backstreet abortions etc.   We should be able to educate properly about sex.

The POLICEMAN is therefore stupid.  The Law is not the right part of sex education.  The more laws that have been passed about under age sex - the more under age sex has happened.  Surely he must have noticed this. OUr country leads the world in child pregnancy in the G20.  We have the resources to help our children grown up safely with a positive attitude to sex and relationships.  Instead it has been reduced to a legal argument about age.  How sickening that sex has been cheapened to this point.

We need more LOVE and COMMITMENT in relionshops - not more laws to break in order to get children to conform to a POLICE perspective on sex.  How many of you would take relationship and sexual guidance from your local PCSO or Chief Constable ?   Not many !!!!  So there is the answer.[/quote]

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Topic History of: Legal age of consent to be lowered
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veritas	I think bonking at any age has been going on since time began BR and no law will ever stop it nor will we be able to stop kids having sex as soon as they feel horny. Sex education is therefore quite a good thing (works in Europe and Asia..only Britain seems to have this weird problem) I discovered only recently that my father was born in 1912 a month after his parents wed..could have bowled me over with a feather !...especially as his mother was 17 and Irish..imagine...her parents must have to hide her in an attic for 8 months till her dad polished up the shotgun.
veritas	ahhh...but Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born and Joseph didn't do the deed ! or did he ? the respected Dead Sea scholar Barbara Thiering has long argued that the concept of "virgin' has been mis-interpreted for centuries and the word virgin actually meant that although the woman may have been married and having sex-she hadn't yet had a child. So she was only a 'virgin' in the sense that she was childless..not chaste. And of course people married off early then asap..and where does that leave Jewish rituals like Bar mitzvahs and Bat mitzvahs when boys and girls become men and women at 13 today ? In fact..do Jews respect their own religious laws of the laws of the land as they are in conflict ? (one to discuss with your rabbi this Friday)
JK2006	ITK and Robbie - the starter post seems to have been begun years ago - in 2006!
robbiex	Mr pretend Robbiex, stop inpersonating me. I've been posting on this site for years using this name and don't appreciate people pretending to me, particularly when they have such controversial views.
robbiex	jK and everyone else, I am the real robbiex and not this guy who is using my name. You will be able to tell this by my ip address, so could please don't confuse this imposter with me.