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Topic History of: JK in the Daily Mail
Max. showing the last 5 posts - (Last post first)
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veritas |
Locked Out and Chris Retro make extremely good points.
What about a "burglar's registery" and so on. Afterall those who steal cars etc often get into a lfe style they find difficult to get out of where stealing becomes the norm. However they are more often busted for one offence and ask for a dozen others to be taken into account so they aren't arrested later for them.
As I say -where is the evidence a 'register' does any frigging good ?
Those convicted have a record anyway and I have a friend who administered one of these 'registers' and just said not only was it the most boring job in the force but useless as well.
Its just a political sop of the worst kind -the NSW AG has said in the past "all sex offenders are grubs". I wrote him a letter saying in my opinion most politicians are self serving lying grubs but I don't publish the fact like he so rudely did without examining every case like the guy busted pissing against a wall and so on..his office aknowledged my letter but with no comment.
Now the DPP has announced this AG is the most political interfering poltician of all time who hinders the solving of crime. My point has been proven !. I've written to the AG and asked him to aknowledge himself as a 'grub' who possibly helps crime increase  |
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Chris Retro |
Locked Out wrote:
A murderer, seemingly, can restart his life with no problem at all. A sex offender, no matter how repentant he {or she} is is a nonce for life.
Sorry to reduce your very good post down to populist frivolity - but a clear example of this is how Gary Glitter's music has been all but erased from history (Joan Jett had to issue her cd in the UK with Do You Wanna Touch Me? removed) and yet anything Phil Spector is still lapped up.
Virtual Crime v Real Crime - in this society virtual crime is worse. It's basically society adopting 'Lag's Law' from inside, one crime is fine, guv, another unforgiveable. |
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Locked Out |
One of the guys I was in jug with was serving a 3 year sentence. His offence was, I think, slightly less serious than my own, yet his sentence in terms of time inside was 3 times my own {he was unfortunate enough to be tried shortly after Huntley}. I'm on the register for 10 years, he's on it for life. There is a failure of balance there to begin with. Yet had either of us murdered children rather than "simply" {and I use parentheses in order to illustrate the fact that what we did is not "simple" at all and deserved legal sanction}viewed images neither of us would be on any kind of register at all. It is, of course, madness. In terms of restrictions there aren't any {unless we wish to travel to Australia, the USA or Japan, where our criminal records would get us halted flat at immigration}, as long as we tell our local police what we're doing. It's not that onerous. What stinks is the lack of equivalance in terms of sanction between sexual and non sexual offences. A murderer, seemingly, can restart his life with no problem at all. A sex offender, no matter how repentant he {or she} is is a nonce for life. All I'd like to see is some fairness built into the system. A criminal is a criminal right up to the point where he becomes an ex criminal. Those of us who are ex criminals should have some kind of right to demonstrate our rehabilitation and have it recognised. To apply names to a register for life with no recourse to appeal is both an admission that the system doesn't work {it does} and a public statement that people like us don't - or can't - change. I know from my own experience that we can and we do.
Sorry, I got carried away.
The loony comments from the readers at the end of the piece are the usual unthinking claptrap. |
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Emma Bee |
Surely all this judgement does is give someone the right to lodge and appeal. It doesn't guarantee a successful appeal, and I fully expect that any such appeals will be a total waste of time. None of the political parties are bold enough to stand up to the tabloids on this issue. They all seem to think that the dwindling number of tabloid readers, some of who probably don't vote at all, will have a major influence on their election prospects.
I was amused by the well rehearsed facial expression of the BBC correspondent on yesterdays news when this story was featured. His face told us that this was the most serious news item of the year and that we should all be appalled that such a consideration should ever be made. Not even a hint of objectivity.
Surely Gary Glitter would be the most likely celebrity to use this appeal process, as his main conviction was under a rather questionable foreign legal system.
The Mail does like to butter it's bread on both sides. It acts as a champion against wrongful conviction but only after it has done it's part to promote the paranoia which leads to those same wrongful convictions. If it really wanted the big story rather than just the safe easy fodder churned out by so many others it would use it's resources to expose the faults in the legal system and question the lack of care shown by those who run it. |
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veritas |
I find the reporting fairly sloppy as we all know there are many reasons-not necessarily sexual- to end up on a 'register'.
Research in the USA is showing that these registers may do the opposite and in fact be dangerous by giving a false sense of 'security'.
Some US states are re-thinking the whole thing but what is particularly bad about this 'register' law is that it was enacted with absolutely no scientific or stastistical investigation-it's a blatant reaction to media hype.
No-one has yet shown that a 'sex offender's register' either prevents or causes anything to happen. That is very very bad law and is certainly not what made British law the most wonderful institution on the planet but these are odd days.
I love reading the comments on articles like the Mail one-so much ignorance and in particular those who rant that "these peope gave up their rights etc etc blather blah blah..."
And the ones who go on about judges being 'out of touch etc etc"..as though judges, magistrates don't actualy see the depths humans plunge to every single day of the week as compared to the pig ignorant drongoes making the statements who are educated by the tabloids ! |
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