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[b]mikemacca wrote:[/b]
[quote]Julian Manyon could just as easily report from a house in Israel being fired at from the palestinian side or stand in a nightclub or restaurant while some suicide bomber decides to murder innocent Israelis.Hamas's &quot;ceasefire&quot; is a joke. Scores of home made Qassam rockets are fired into Israeli territory daily recently hitting a hospital and a school.

Hamas targets not only Israel but every Jew throughout the world.

Now let's look at history.

When the surrounding Arab countries ethnically cleansed themselves of their Jewish populations, Israel took them all in. The Palestinians are actually arabs thrown out of  Jordan,Syria,Egypt and the Lebanon.

Now some &quot;facts&quot;

To listen to Israel's critics and the press, you'd think the issue at stake today is the Palestinians' quest for statehood and the Israelis' refusal to grant it.
Au contraire. At Camp David in July 2000 and in later discussions that year, Arafat was offered a Palestinian state that would include 97 percent of the West Bank, all of Gaza, 3 percent of what's now Israel, and a land-and-bridge connection between the West Bank and Gaza. On top of that, the Palestinians would get half of Jerusalem. Arafat turned the offer down without making a counteroffer. Instead, he responded with a new intifada that quickly changed from rock-throwing to terrorism to suicide bombers who target innocent civilians in Israel. If Arafat wanted a Palestinian state, all he had to do was say yes--and stop terrorist attacks on Israel.

The moderate Arab countries are supposedly brimming with compassion for the Palestinians. And this is taken at face value by much of the press and the world. Yet Arab leaders like Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia have done nothing for the Palestinian people--ever. Palestinians were expelled from Jordan in the 1970s and from Kuwait in the 1990s. In Lebanon, the government refuses to integrate Palestinians into the country on the grounds that it would disturb the ethnic balance. So Palestinians live in refugee camps there, and elsewhere. Arafat himself was thrown out of Jordan and Lebanon for establishing a terrorist infrastructure and threatening to take over the country. Return to 2000 for a moment. Did any of these Arabs press Arafat to accept the peace offer and statehood? Not a one. Did they urge him to stop terrorism? Not publicly and probably not privately either. Have they done anything to improve living conditions in the West Bank or Gaza? Nope. In short, the Arabs do not come with clean hands.

When you see the photographs of Palestinian leaders holding up keys questioning the stolen homes of their people, how about the 3 million Jews from surrounding Arab countries that were kicked out without any time to take their belongings? I want to see the keys to those people's homes.

Anyone who thinks Hamas will ever accept a state of Israel and its right to exist are seriously deluded. Their intentions are clear and backed by Iran in that they wish to see Israel taken off the map[/quote]

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Topic History of: Israelis at it again !
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In The Know	Then, if anyone messes with Israel they're messing with US Isn't that what has already happened? And what is the result? Israel is no safer today that the day it was seized. And the USA are the pariahs of the World.
Captain Groovy	mikemacca wrote: as you mentioned the UN, let's take their angle In 1947 the United Nations voted 33-13 to partition Palestine into two states, one for Jews, the other for Palestinians (the US voted for partition). Jerusalem was to be an international zone. At the time Palestine's population was about 30% Jewish and 70% Arab. Jews owned about 6% of the land surface; Arabs owned the rest. The Jews agreed to partition, but the Arabs did not. The Arab refugee problem was caused by a war of aggression, launched by the Arab States against Israel in 1947 and 1948. Let there be no mistake. If there had been no war against Israel, with its consequent harvest of bloodshed, misery, panic and flight, there would be no problem of Arab refugees today. Once you determine the responsibility for that war, you have determined the responsibility for the refugee problem....The historic origins of that conflict are clearly defined by the confessions of the Arab governments themselves: "This will be a war of extermination," declared the Secretary General of the Arab League, speaking for the governments of six Arab States: "It will be a momentous massacre to be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades." We all know the Israelis have brutalised,dispossessed and alienated the Arabs for decades, in what should be a Palestinian state, in exactly the same way the Jews were treated in the surrounding Arab Nations. You shouldn't judge the entire Jewish population of the world on the behaviour of the Israeli forces in the same way you don't judge every Muslim against an Iranian leader who wants to publically execute every homosexual in the country. If you really doubt the existence of the Nazi Holocaust, perhaps you should change your name from ITK to KKK ? This is absolutely correct - Mike is my new hero. I'm a Jew guy (!) and I personally believe religion being supported by a state is ridiculous. Jewish, Palenstinian (sp?) - anything. Let people believe what they want and that's that. If you don't like it, don't be part of that religion. But what someone practices in their own home or in a privately owned church/mosque/synagogue... LET IT BE. I think we should have given the Jews Cuba. We had it then anyway - it was a HOT vacation spot. My great uncle had a lot of land there. Plus, then we can keep an eye on it easier. Dirt is dirt. And if you think God stepped on certain dirt over another, well - you're just insane and I can't help you. Where's my medal? Oh, we're looking for SOLUTIONS. OK. How 'bout the U.S. just annex it like we did with Alaska/Hawaii and every other place we have. Then, if anyone messes with Israel they're messing with US. Jeff
mikemacca	you're referring to 13 years of an overbearing, nagging mother I assume ?
In The Know	I didn't have the barbaric ritual that precedes it either !
mikemacca	Youy're just pissed cos you never got to have a bahmitzvah !