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[b]BR wrote:[/b]
[quote]ITK - how do people choose the priciest place to live ?  I dont see any evidence that people want to live in other areas.

The majority of people on Housing Benefit in Central London have always lived in central London for generations.  Immigrants can only get jobs often in Central London where there are loads of hotel and bar and cleaning and building jobs - so it makes sense for them to live near these jobs as well.

So I dont accept the "myth" that people are using Housing Benefit to move out of poor areas to settle in rich areas.  In any case - surely we dont want segregated areas in our society ? Do you think that segregation between rich and poor is desirable ?   Do we want to see people also divided on race or religion or politics as well ?  I want to see everyone living together and all areas being good areas.  I dislike the "ideology" behind Council Estates and think Thatcher tried to break down the ghetto mentality with her policies.  Thatcher tried to make it possible for everyone to aspire to success - and sadly Major - Blair and Brown have turned the clock back to the 70s and tried to keep the poor in sink estates.

If housing benefit provides a safety net for poor people to move up the housing ladder then why not ?  would that be such a bad thing for society ?[/quote]

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BR	ITK - how do people choose the priciest place to live ? I dont see any evidence that people want to live in other areas. The majority of people on Housing Benefit in Central London have always lived in central London for generations. Immigrants can only get jobs often in Central London where there are loads of hotel and bar and cleaning and building jobs - so it makes sense for them to live near these jobs as well. So I dont accept the "myth" that people are using Housing Benefit to move out of poor areas to settle in rich areas. In any case - surely we dont want segregated areas in our society ? Do you think that segregation between rich and poor is desirable ? Do we want to see people also divided on race or religion or politics as well ? I want to see everyone living together and all areas being good areas. I dislike the "ideology" behind Council Estates and think Thatcher tried to break down the ghetto mentality with her policies. Thatcher tried to make it possible for everyone to aspire to success - and sadly Major - Blair and Brown have turned the clock back to the 70s and tried to keep the poor in sink estates. If housing benefit provides a safety net for poor people to move up the housing ladder then why not ? would that be such a bad thing for society ?
In The Know	BR wrote: Can I just remind people that a PLACE TO LIVE is not a luxury item. It is a basic necessity to live... So is food ... but we don't hand that out free, do we (giving those on benefits the caviar, which those working could never afford) ? You have to live WITHIN YOUR MEANS - not expect to choose the priciest area and then expect someone else to have to work to subsidise you !
BR	Can I just remind people that a PLACE TO LIVE is not a luxury item. It is a basic necessity to live. Therefore, subsidy is needed because of the greed which has pushed "Property" into speculation. I dont believe people should be able to make a profit out of property. A living - yes - but not the obscene profits that many landlords make. Rented property should be within the reach of someone on the minimum wage. That is how the CAP should be set. If it is more than that it is profiteering. Simples. How you can compare having a porsche and having a place to live is ridiculous. You cant live in a porsche - and a family would not even fit in one !!! We need to start seeing houses as places to live - not capitalist money making opportunities. Everyone seems to have been brainwashed into the idea that we all have to make as much profit out of everything as possible. What next ? a tax on AIR ? on WATER ? oh....
veritas	In The Know wrote: BR wrote: This is about helping those who are trying to work and live in decent areas where the rents are going through the roof. Absurd nonsense ! If rents were "capped" then landlords would SELL their properties ... no more flats / houses to rent ! LOL ! There IS a market ... if someone charges too much - look elsewhere. It is patently absurd to pay out massive amounts of money to let people who cannot afford such properties live in houses that those working could not afford. If we followed your code then London would be full of dolers - as they would be the only ones who could afford the properties (as they are NOT paying !!!). The better off and the working would move. No one (with money / status) wants to live in an area full of druggies and dolers. If someone wants to buy a Porsche ... and the dole money will not run to it ... should that be subsidised (to a ridiculous extent) too ? wrong analysis. The rort is not on the side of those being subsidised in inner London (and let's not believe the exagerations of a Tory housing minister or the Daily Mail)..and would you turn down a government benefit when offered ?. The rort is on the side of all those property developers who have invested knowing they will reap the benefit of government subsidies in the form of housing benefit. (of course in a perfect world where Veritas would be Ultimate Ruler all those hundreds of billions would have been invested in government housing...not only a government assett but a solution !!) This problem is caused by government but you seem to want those who accepted their largesse to be punished..but not those who truly benefit...the ones getting property paid off by the taxpayer ! And that is another reason these cuts will be wound back as thousands of property developers right now are screeching into the ears of their local Tory member at the terrifying thought of a plunge in property values.