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[b]BR wrote:[/b]
[quote]Veritas is right.

The Liberals are electoral history because they have shown that they can lie with the rest of them.

Clegg should tell Cameron to rethink his policies on

1.  FEES - abolish them completely and ask the banks to cover the fees through their profits to invest in the future of the UK seeing as we loaned the banking system nearly a trillion of OUR money when they were in trouble.  Fair deal.

2.  HOUSING BENEFIT - scrap these artificial ceilings and judge each case on its merits based on local prices.  So if the area is cheap then choose the average rental price as the median and if it is expensive like London do the same.  That is only fair again.

3.  UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFIT - help those who are long term unemployed with PROPER PAID JOBS that dont undermine their benefits.  If they get less working then that cant be right - it means the minimum wage is too low - so raise it until it is far better than benefit.  You cant cut benefit any more it is already too low to live on for most people - especially those without children.

In terms of the cuts to services :

Cut the FAT CATS not the services for the old and the poor.  Surely that is the CARING BIG SOCIETY that we all voted for ?  CAMERON has to show that he really believes in what he has said - or like BLAIR we will get rid of him - but this time SOONER because we have all had enough of politicians lies and deceit and expense troughing - the public have zero respect for Politicians now and they have to earn their respect.

I wanted to give CAMERON and CLEGG a chance - they talked a good game.  But when the chips are down they are doing the SAME POLICIES as Blair and Brown - these policies are dictated by BIG BUSINESS ( THE NWO run multi-nationals )

We can all see now that OBAMA and the UK PMs are just "Puppet Governments" of the CORPORATIONS.   That is now ( Prunella !! ) a FACT :-)[/quote]

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Topic History of: Fantastic Student Riots against the UNFAIR CUTS
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JK2006	Spot on Pru; children always enjoy smashing things up and that tiny gang of ruthless morons always love going too far; using the genuine protesters in order to malign the principle. It never works; always has a backlash. Often that is the intention.
Prunella Minge	I always found the problem with many student 'activists' is that they had 'fun' protesting. Now, I'm a staunch puritan about politics: it's basically the opposite of sex - if you're enjoying it, you're doing it wrong. Aristotle didn't regard politics as action, he regarded it as 'correct' action, and he appreciated that arriving at something that seemed to be 'correct' was damned hard work. Protests shouldn't be Jolly Boys' outings. Those idiots yesterday were merely indulging in a costly and violent act of public onanism.
BR	Veritas is right. The Liberals are electoral history because they have shown that they can lie with the rest of them. Clegg should tell Cameron to rethink his policies on 1. FEES - abolish them completely and ask the banks to cover the fees through their profits to invest in the future of the UK seeing as we loaned the banking system nearly a trillion of OUR money when they were in trouble. Fair deal. 2. HOUSING BENEFIT - scrap these artificial ceilings and judge each case on its merits based on local prices. So if the area is cheap then choose the average rental price as the median and if it is expensive like London do the same. That is only fair again. 3. UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFIT - help those who are long term unemployed with PROPER PAID JOBS that dont undermine their benefits. If they get less working then that cant be right - it means the minimum wage is too low - so raise it until it is far better than benefit. You cant cut benefit any more it is already too low to live on for most people - especially those without children. In terms of the cuts to services : Cut the FAT CATS not the services for the old and the poor. Surely that is the CARING BIG SOCIETY that we all voted for ? CAMERON has to show that he really believes in what he has said - or like BLAIR we will get rid of him - but this time SOONER because we have all had enough of politicians lies and deceit and expense troughing - the public have zero respect for Politicians now and they have to earn their respect. I wanted to give CAMERON and CLEGG a chance - they talked a good game. But when the chips are down they are doing the SAME POLICIES as Blair and Brown - these policies are dictated by BIG BUSINESS ( THE NWO run multi-nationals ) We can all see now that OBAMA and the UK PMs are just "Puppet Governments" of the CORPORATIONS. That is now ( Prunella !! ) a FACT
veritas	JK2006 wrote: Well I have mixed feelings. I'm pleased that young people have at last woken up to the fact that they should express an opinion. Since the 60s, when we protested day and night (It's Good News Week) young people seem mired in apathy. I'm sad, though, that it's only selfishness that has provoked reaction. Me Me Me. No "stop being beastly towards victims of false allegations" banners in Trafalgar Square. Just "don't take away MY money". That's essentially it. I'm pleased to see healthy demos and that there are some young who are passionate. I don't like the violence but sometimes there is no other recourse. BR is right though-all these cuts are going to be very damaging not just for those receiving them but they will set up a chain of very unpleasant events. A simple few percentage points of a tax on the banks and the rich corporations would solve the mess. It's pretty clear that the only difference between Nu Labour and the Tories now is that both look after corporations first but Labour still throw some morsels to what was once their constituency. Both parties are a sham though-full of idiots with no new or adventurous ideas. Remember to say goodbye to that other great party the Lib Dems who have about 3 years left in them before they disappear.
BR	IA you are right - I voted in Blair and we killed a million Iraquis and Afganis. However, the democracy introduced after the French Revolution was good - and in Russia many millions had died in the unjust wars of the Tsars in the 19th century - so you have to put it into perspective against the full picture and not in isolation. Solidarity was a violent campaign - many lost their lives and more lost their jobs. They went on strike and many starved as well. Poland was part of the Soviet bloc and they dealt firmly with dissenters. The ANC saw many deaths in South Africa. I support the idea of cutting waste and surely it makes sense to sack one Lawyer on £100K a year rather than make 30 students pay an extra £3k a year for their education. Why not sack two Policemen for £100K likewise. We would not have riots if these cuts were fair. In addition deal with immigrant fraud which costs us millions rather than take housing benefit away from the poorest people in Central London where a shoebox flat can cost £500 a week for a family and £400 is now the limit thus making these people either homeless or pushing them out into the home counties thus raising the prices out there and pushing others out until we see mass migration to the North and Scotland. These policies are flawed. They were not mentioned in the Manifesto either. Already they have pulled back on many of the things we applauded them for on this forum. Things like the ANON status for all people accused of sex offences especially teachers - they were going to get rid of the DNA database - but both these things have not been done yet. We see no progress on many of the civil liberties issues. Only ID Cards have been killed. I still hope the Co-alition can turn this around - but the public need to be forthright in their condemnation of the bad policy, We have had 13 awful years under New Labour. We dont need any more social engineering and we dont need anymore upheaval. We need stability and rationisation of resoureces. The poor must be looked after and COAXED back into jobs - not forced and threatened - threats never work - they just alienate. We need to cut our overseas army and get out of Afganistan. That was the plan - so why are we still there ? that would save a couple of billion each year. More than enough for students and housing benefit.