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[b]Innocent Accused wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]In The Know wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]david wrote:[/b]
[quote]True, they aren't rising up yet. But I'm not going to tell people who are probably in fear of their lives whether they should or shouldn't put their themselves and their families at risk by demonstrating. That is a terrible dilemma that we can hardly imagine.

What I am talking about is the rank hypocrisy of Cameron's government in crowing so loudly about democracy during the Libyan civil war, and then happily going off to sell arms to his profoundly undemocratic Saudi friends, while making very sure he leaves the press behind.[/quote]

I think you are confusing two entirely different issues, david.

Who are WE to tell the Saudi people who should represent them?
They "seem" happy at the moment, thats all I'm saying.

With both Libya and now Syria, the people are making it clear that they want a new form of government - and in both cases those governments are prepared to kill their own people as a further form of repression (in order, lets be honest, to save their own skins).

It would be inhumane and heartless to not respond to a plea for help by these people.
On the other hand, to intervene (when the people have not even asked for it) in Saudi would be simple regime change (because WE didn't like their rulers).[/quote]

Some of the people ITK,certainly not all in either country.
All we did in libya was take sides in a civil war,and we're slowly and begrudgingly being told that things are getting worse over there.
Syria is far more complex,again a civil war in all but name.Had we not have exceeded our UN mandate in libya we would have had support,and perhaps intervention from a united UN could have been achieved.however world politics is a complex animal,I visit many of these countries,and hear many sides of the arguments,not just the western meejah one.[/quote]

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Topic History of: Syria, Russia, China, USA, UK, UN...
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In The Know (as always)	JK2006 wrote: You're confusing me ITK. You always said we should bomb Assad. Now you're saying we should bomb the other side. Yes, we should have bombed Assad THREE YEARS ago. "The other side"? How do we know which side IS is on? How do we know that Assad is not actually supporting / financing IS (to win favour with the West by showing that his oft claimed "fighting terrorists" mantra was actually true?) The Syrian people want Assad out ... if we had supported them 3 years ago we would not have the scene we currently have (and the Russians would not have seen how wet and weak Obama was, resulting in their action in Ukraine !) MPs voted for military action by 524 votes to 43. (if only they had voted this way LAST TIME instead of chickening out !) No ONE wants war - but if you don't take on the Hitlers of this world, look what you get !
JK2006	You're confusing me ITK. You always said we should bomb Assad. Now you're saying we should bomb the other side. Which side should we be on, or are you just in favour of killing innocent people?
In The Know (as always)	In The Know (as always) wrote: 2 years and 7 months ago, In The Know wrote: We've been left with little choice. We either do nothing - and let the barbarians get on with the slaughter like prehistoric morons, or else we take some action. AT LAST ! Syrian was attacked last night .... the first of many until we remove the IS threat. The Syrian government - sensing an opportunity - is trying to make inroads and paint themselves as the good guys, but the West is having none of it. IS must GO ASSAD must GO Unfortunately for the Syrian people - who rose up in unarmed opposition to Assad - their country is now awash with every nutter on earth (but thats all due to the delay in taking ITK's advice in the first place). David Cameron has said there is a "strong case" for UK military intervention in Syria, as well as Iraq, to confront Islamic State (IS). The prime minister said it was in the UK's interest to join in bombings in Iraq against IS and there was "no legal barrier" to similar action in Syria. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29366007 Everyone listens to ITK (eventually !)
In The Know (as always)	2 years and 7 months ago, In The Know wrote: We've been left with little choice. We either do nothing - and let the barbarians get on with the slaughter like prehistoric morons, or else we take some action. AT LAST ! Syrian was attacked last night .... the first of many until we remove the IS threat. The Syrian government - sensing an opportunity - is trying to make inroads and paint themselves as the good guys, but the West is having none of it. IS must GO ASSAD must GO Unfortunately for the Syrian people - who rose up in unarmed opposition to Assad - their country is now awash with every nutter on earth (but thats all due to the delay in taking ITK's advice in the first place).
Pattaya	ROSS1938 wrote: The world would be a better place If we took advice about everything Disabled, sport, planes, politics, middle east etc. From a 70+ bloke in Codnor 1938....Ben aged ?..and 3 months? Give up Badgering Ben,you could make a contribution,other than making a fool out of yourself....if only you'd stop being silly!