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Topic History of: Freddie Starr, Karin Ward, police, the BBC and the law
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hedda wrote:
amazing..a few posters on here, Anna Raccoon etc can do far greater forensic analysis of the whole Savile matter and yet so-called Fleet Street journalists repeat the mantras over and over again.
Whatever happened to investigative journalism ?. is it dead for all time ?
I had an recent email exchange with an Independent hack who repeated a claim that Aussie PM Julia Gilard had "broken an election promise" by introducing a carbon price scheme. A lie repeated over and over by the Murdoch press.
I said "why can you not do your research and find the Murdoch newspaper that quoted Gillard in an interview the day before their last general election where she said "I will not introduce a carbon tax but will implement a carbon pricing scheme".
It's a small example but a scary one : newspapers simply lie and the lie is repeated over and over until becomes fact.
The newspapers etc are supporting these women in their lies (and the police seem happy to gloss over them too at the moment).
Every document these women produce from now on, that they claim to be 'evidence' or some kind of 'proof' of their allegations regarding Jimmy Savile should be checked over thoroughly to make sure it's not FAKED. As one has previous for it, their clearly all in this together now (if not all along). And they'll probably be desperate and scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything that will help lend credence to their claims because they are based on nothing.
Lets not forget the red haired woman, Fiona, in the ITV Exposure documentary who claimed she gave Jimmy Savile handjobs in his car, at the BBC etc made NO MENTION of this what so ever during the 2007 to 2009 Surrey police investigation and no-one pressed her on this, she gave a stupid excuse to Allison Levitt that the police woman investigating "had set date parameters and that she was not interested in anything she had to say that did not fall within those boundaries", ie 1978, which is utter bs, they would have been happy to hear about any alleged sex offence committed by Jimmy Savile, they were happy to hear of the Stoke Mandeville one, which allegedly took place in 1973, weren't they? I think they'd of been happy to hear of an offense regardless of when it took place because the ones they had so far were pretty weak (and what was the INI check for? the Sussex complaint was alleged to have happened in 1970).
It is OBVIOUS she just hadn't made the story up at that point, and Allison Levitt and everyone else has been perfectly happy to gloss over that and make excuses for her...
What kind of people make up stories like that about someone who has just died? But your not supposed to criticize their behavior or say a word against them... |
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hedda |
amazing..a few posters on here, Anna Raccoon etc can do far greater forensic analysis of the whole Savile matter and yet so-called Fleet Street journalists repeat the mantras over and over again.
Whatever happened to investigative journalism ?. is it dead for all time ?
I had an recent email exchange with an Independent hack who repeated a claim that Aussie PM Julia Gilard had "broken an election promise" by introducing a carbon price scheme. A lie repeated over and over by the Murdoch press.
I said "why can you not do your research and find the Murdoch newspaper that quoted Gillard in an interview the day before their last general election where she said "I will not introduce a carbon tax but will implement a carbon pricing scheme".
It's a small example but a scary one : newspapers simply lie and the lie is repeated over and over until becomes fact. |
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bh wrote: [/quote]
Well old Jolly Tosspot's Documentary made the whole cast look stupid. The woman going on about how she opened a door at Speakeasy & saw Jimmy groping some girl.
The Mr De'ath situation (where a certain bankcrupt ex-Soap & Loose Women star, recognises him from 1965!)
Another girl explaining how Jimmy put his hand up her knickers, when she went to his place & how it happened every time, she went there...She obviously liked it very much!
And Fiona, the likely author of a forged letter. Doh!
Very equal to those on the Panorama programme too. The Cub Scout (a greedy git, anyway), thought he should have his own Jim'll Fix It badge (& not just a group one). He obviously was given his own & decides he still hasn't been paid. He stated he was invited to JS's dressing room, where he had to rub his privates & then he was threatened & another bloke punched him the head...So, did he crawl out of the dressing room? Very hard to believe.
I remember in the 20th Anniversary of "Jim'll Fix It", they explained that in the early series of the show, the nadges were made from cardboard & it was a few years in, before they were made of metal. I believe the Cub Scout appeared in January 1977. The 3rd series...So, whether they'd of been metal by then, I haven't a clue.[/quote]
Apparently that boy scout changed his story dramatically within a few weeks too.
I did have to wonder how the woman who said she used to work for Jim and said she seen him snogging a girl of 'around 14' knew she was 14, well she didn't, she said 'around 14', did she ask? no, so she doesn't know. I probably couldn't tell the difference between a 14 and 16 year old girl, and they are all different. My sister is 25 and I can hardly see she's changed a bit in the last 12 years (appearance wise).
I also thought the bit were it said "then when she was 16, one of these fumbles turned into sex", then the woman went on to explain "I told him your not going all the way" (but apparently he did anyway), and then she said "there was no fore play" was a bit strange. I couldn't help but wonder, if there was "no fore play", what was he (apparently) doing before he went "all the way"? What were these "fumbles" all about? lol
I'm really beginning to wonder if ANY of those women were telling the truth. It's obvious by now MOST weren't.
And Mark Williams-Thomas is still going on as if it was the best show ever made, has done so much good and deserves to win all kinds of awards, lol |
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bh |
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly. Good points there.
The Clunk Click show, whence Freddie Starr appeared must of been recorded on the Friday before. I believe the Gary Glitter one, was recorded on 22nd March 74. So, indeed Ms Ward was 16 on the Freddie Starr one. Whether she was present at the Gary Glitter appearance is not clear.
And it was shown on a Saturday, so it was filmed only a day before?
E.g the Freddie Starr one would have been filmed 26/4/74?
I can't believe they gave Freddie Starr such a grilling on this morning, e.g when he said "I've never groped an underage girl", Philip Schofield goes "are you sure, because some girls can look older than they are?"
Surely something as basic as her age at the time would have been quite easy to work out? (though I think they did try and obscure the exact date on the video clip), it's obvious 2012-1974=38 and 54 (the age she has been given as) - 38 doesn't = 14.
I don't think it happened anyway, Fiona (the ginger haired woman in the ITV Exposure documentary) herself tripped up and desribed school outings as "very controlled" (before contradicting herself, and coming out with a similar load of bs).
Surely no-one would be as stupid (as Karin Ward claims Gary Glitter to be) as to have sex with a 13 year old pupil on an outing form a care home with the carers/staff members kicking about? Infront of other pupils no less?
It would probably have been the talk of the care home, so others would have surely heard about it? And if one of the staff had caught them, they'd have hit the roof, surely?
You need to read between the lines were that program is conserned, lol, I think a couple of them trip themselves up.[/quote]
Well old Jolly Tosspot's Documentary made the whole cast look stupid. The woman going on about how she opened a door at Speakeasy & saw Jimmy groping some girl.
The Mr De'ath situation (where a certain bankcrupt ex-Soap & Loose Women star, recognises him from 1965!)
Another girl explaining how Jimmy put his hand up her knickers, when she went to his place & how it happened every time, she went there...She obviously liked it very much!
And Fiona, the likely author of a forged letter. Doh!
Very equal to those on the Panorama programme too. The Cub Scout (a greedy git, anyway), thought he should have his own Jim'll Fix It badge (& not just a group one). He obviously was given his own & decides he still hasn't been paid. He stated he was invited to JS's dressing room, where he had to rub his privates & then he was threatened & another bloke punched him the head...So, did he crawl out of the dressing room? Very hard to believe.
I remember in the 20th Anniversary of "Jim'll Fix It", they explained that in the early series of the show, the nadges were made from cardboard & it was a few years in, before they were made of metal. I believe the Cub Scout appeared in January 1977. The 3rd series...So, whether they'd of been metal by then, I haven't a clue. |
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Anonymous |
Exactly. Good points there.
The Clunk Click show, whence Freddie Starr appeared must of been recorded on the Friday before. I believe the Gary Glitter one, was recorded on 22nd March 74. So, indeed Ms Ward was 16 on the Freddie Starr one. Whether she was present at the Gary Glitter appearance is not clear.[/quote]
And it was shown on a Saturday, so it was filmed only a day before?
E.g the Freddie Starr one would have been filmed 26/4/74?
I can't believe they gave Freddie Starr such a grilling on this morning, e.g when he said "I've never groped an underage girl", Philip Schofield goes "are you sure, because some girls can look older than they are?"
Surely something as basic as her age at the time would have been quite easy to work out? (though I think they did try and obscure the exact date on the video clip), it's obvious 2012-1974=38 and 54 (the age she has been given as) - 38 doesn't = 14.
I don't think it happened anyway, Fiona (the ginger haired woman in the ITV Exposure documentary) herself tripped up and desribed school outings as "very controlled" (before contradicting herself, and coming out with a similar load of bs).
Surely no-one would be as stupid (as Karin Ward claims Gary Glitter to be) as to have sex with a 13 year old pupil on an outing form a care home with the carers/staff members kicking about? Infront of other pupils no less?
It would probably have been the talk of the care home, so others would have surely heard about it? And if one of the staff had caught them, they'd have hit the roof, surely?
You need to read between the lines were that program is conserned, lol, I think a couple of them trip themselves up. |
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