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[b]DJKZ wrote:[/b]
[quote]Thanks for the responses it's been fascinating.

In a week where Billie Piper gets in the charts simply because a radio DJ told them to buy it, proves my point about radio manipulating people. But it can only go so far. Sales are falling, music is being marginalised and its power diminished. I think it is because the 'music by numbers' approach turns people off.

Zooloo if you are in the business of making music, tell me are you making music you love or music you don't give a rot about but are making because you think it will sell ? It is also rather patronising to musicians to say well if they make music they love it is self indulgent rubbish.

[b]&quot;Why should anyone spend their time on what you or I want to do? They should no more do that than I will spend time appreciating soap opera or Big Brother. I am not willing to put in effort to fit in with their world and I don't expect them to do for me what I won't do for them - why should they?&quot;[/b]

So tell me what music are you making for the public to consume ? Music you think they want to hear or music you love and are passionate about and want them to hear ?

At the end of the day (yes i hate that phrase too) people are voting with their wallets and one of the biggest criticisms of the music business is its insincerity which has resulted in more people thinking it is ok to download music illegally. They do not relate to the artists who in their body language and tongue indicate they wouldn't buy the music they are making either.

As for people want other people to choose their music for them. This is so laughable a statement and completely not true. Yes radio is convenient, yes magazines can point them to whats happening. But the public will seek alternatives and do so if they are discontent with what they are hearing. With the internet you can now find every record released under the sun. People are more influenced by their friends than the 'gatekeepers'. People want genuine recommendations and not recommendations paid for by payola, advertising or any other artificial means. You will be found out quickly.[/quote]

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Topic History of: The death of music ?
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Mart	Something I found fascinating only last night, when one of my bands made a brief appearance on a radio station, was meeting the programmer. Armed with a last minute clutch of cd`s from our acts, I gave them to him, he listened whilst I was there and has playlisted the lot, much to my surprise. This to me indicates another problem. Where exactly are the pluggers? The guy was delighted to meet me and had been handpicking his playlists without much company help. How many small stations is this happening to? Granted it is a local station, but being available on the internet makes it global in my book. Also, and this will make you all smile, whilst I was there, three people `phoned in to complain about a swear word on a track that had sneaked through. As I allways say, any reaction is better than apathy. He also proudly gave me his internet listening figures and they were not bad at all. I`m in a very positive mood about the state of radio against the death of music. Call me old fashioned but getting playlisted further helps
Den Kirby	Hey nice post, you certainly know how to stir things up LOL! Seriously though, I agree with some of what you
Vince W	In a week where Billie Piper gets in the charts simply because a radio DJ told them to buy it, proves my point about radio manipulating people. But it can only go so far. Sales are falling, music is being marginalised and its power diminished. I think it is because the 'music by numbers' approach turns people off. I see this in a different perspective. The fact the Chris Moyles apprantely chose a song from random and got it into the top 20 shows the listening public that what they download does matter to the charts. Instead of major labels telling us what to buy we will have songs in the chart that truly reflect what the public want. This can only be a good thing for the charts and I look forward to seeing how it pans out during the year. It's just a pity that TOTP's has gone, can you imagine it now with unsigned bands in the charts getting that sort of exposure!!
Mart	There is two threads on this subject, so it is a little confusing to follow due to the brilliant debates going on. What I wanted to add, after Zoo`s comments is this. Whilst growing up, I had the only record player in my school. Everybody would gather around when they knew I was going to play music. There was simply no other entertainment, and music was found to be the most fascinating thing apart from playing sport or reading. This is what has been lost and the industry needs to have a serious think about how it will defeat a couch sitting generation of satelite tv and computer entertainment consumers. Maybe the I-pod will bring this era of listening back, pure listening without a face-full of product thrust into the face.
DJKZ	Well said Zooloo. Thanks for your contribution to this debate.