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Topic History of: Genesis albums ranking.
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Green Man |
Blue Boy wrote:
Green Man wrote:
BB, you are correct but it's rare but not unusual for people to get hold of a rough cut demos back then. (It's who you know)
Green Man, Your statement is correct and your defence of JK is admirable but unfortunately on this occasion the facts don’t support JK’s contention that he referenced CSN to Genesis as part of the FGTR recording process which apparently took place in August 1968 before any CSN recording sessions. As far as I can see the Bee Gees reference is to the song “The Silent Sun” which was released even earlier in February 1968 and that is long before the CSN[/quote]
I think Ant Phillips or Peter Gabriel said JK was inspired by Bee Gees. I am not familiar with the Bee Gees early works, I know there were called Rattlesnakes which was folk/skiffle outfit in their early days.
However I open to an education from Blue Boy. 
Across California there was nothing but dodgy bootlegs in record fairs and flea markets. One dodgy LP I did have was Byrds - Back Pages. It had some odd live recordings, I think lifted from a TV show and alternative takes, which I believe were never released prior that iffy record.
Another LP one was Byrds - Live in Stockholm which was a bootleg but well produced. I got this both of these LPs in the very late 1980's. It was pot-luck with bootlegs back then, some were very good, some were a waste of money and are only fit for the rubbish bin. |
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JK2006 |
Well I have to admit to failing memory at 78. But I clearly remember playing the guys a track - I thought it was CSN - because the young students' electric instruments were inexpensive and kept going out of tune so, before recording, I wanted them to do tracks accoustically. Specifically this applied to The Silent Sun. And whilst being a huge (and very early) fan of the Bee Gees, I didn't want that kind of sound for Genesis. It was a British version of West Coast soft folk/rock I wanted. I seem to remember it was my friends Davey Jones and Peter Tork from The Monkees who first played me (and gave me) the tracks - at the same time I met Danny Hutton from (later) Three Dog Night, Harry Nillson and Neil Young at Davey's home in Hollywood. We were all very into the early work of Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen and other Canadians too; I came back and turned Kenny Everett and John Lennon onto Harry's stuff. |
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Blue Boy |
Green Man wrote:
BB, you are correct but it's rare but not unusual for people to get hold of a rough cut demos back then. (It's who you know)
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Green Man, Your statement is correct and your defence of JK is admirable but unfortunately on this occasion the facts don’t support JK’s contention that he referenced CSN to Genesis as part of the FGTR recording process which apparently took place in August 1968 before any CSN recording sessions. As far as I can see the Bee Gees reference is to the song “The Silent Sun” which was released even earlier in February 1968 and that is long before the CSN |
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Green Man |
Blue Boy wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
You should tell him that FGTR had nothing to do with the Bee Gees - it was Crosby Stills and Nash I pointed them at
As far as I can determine FGTR was recorded in August 1968 and was released in March 1969.
The first Crosby, Stills and Nash album wasn’t released until May 1969
BB, you are correct but it's rare but not unusual for people to get hold of a rough cut demos back then. (It's who you know)
A lot of demos or outtakes did eventually end up on bootlegs. Maybe JK had a cassette of the test copy made by a friend.
Flea markets in New Orleans, San Fran, California, Houston, Nevada were full of bootlegs tapes which contained both recent live recordings at that time or had rough demos.
I used to see tables full of unofficial Byrds cassettes at a price in San Fran.
I have a friend in Long Island who was collecting Beatles bootlegs way before people bought the Anthology sets. He bought a lot of Beatles bootleg records at the early years of Beatlesfest...he got of some Monkees white label demo pressings on 45s there also in the early/mid 80s. |
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Blue Boy |
JK2006 wrote:
It was definitely CSN Blue Boy - maybe American release? Quite possibly BEFORE proper release (I was friendly at that time with West Coast people like Monkees, Byrds etc). And possibly early demo or single (I adored Suite Judy and M Express)?
Graham Nash didn't leave The Hollies and relocate to the USA until December 1968 so no recorded CSN material was available in USA or UK until 1969 |
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