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Topic History of: Songwriting; see my thoughts in Attitudes & Opinions (nm)
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GG	Briggsy's work on the development of Robbie into a massive global music force through hard work, getting it right with Guy, and everything that went into that act is an inspiration. I much admire Briggsy. I hope there is a Robbie Williams of some sort in my musical future, and I will not hesitate for a second to hunt down Chris Briggs for advice, and look to his example in making it work.
Bemuso	I could say I meant the album... or that Macca got better than Lennon... but to be honest I couldn't think of an early McCartney song without getting the album out
DJones	With specialisation (seperation of functions) there are more opions and this should lead to better results. But Elvis Presley (his manager sabotaged Leiber/Stoller) is only one example of financial considerations overriding artistic ones. One of the main problems for artists like Coldplay is that they don
Bemuso	Both ways of producing music (songwriters write songs / singers perform, record & singer-songwriters) are valid ways of creating music or even art. And with both methods you can create crap. That's true but separate writer/performer has one significant benefit: if the writer produces a dud it's less likely to picked up by a singer. There's a built-in arms race with seperation that tends to improve the writing and the singing BEFORE they get onto the market. With singer/composer there's no hurdle to jump between the song and the record... and that can be tragic for big artists who desperately need that old A&R magic to weed out the mush. Regarding experience... McCartney certainly got better between Please Please Me and The Long And Winding Road, but I take your point that neither is a "better" song. And there are writers who are talented from day one as Costello was (although he did more growing up in private than Macca). I think you can find examples of best work early and best work later. Taking your points together I think it's important in a folk context that there are many writers and performers competing for repertoire-room across the genre. That produces comedy, love songs, protest, show pieces and novelties... and the more popular naturally displaces the less popular. I think that is the experience that's more important. In the Coldplay world (just an example) that variety and competition is missing and what goes on the next record is the best thing they come up with. Of course, sometimes that's good enough... but writers today are talking to their fans in a narrow dialogue that doesn't generate songs with wider popular appeal. Or perhaps I'm just rambling...
DJones	Both ways of producing music (songwriters write songs / singers perform, record & singer-songwriters) are valid ways of creating music or even art. And with both methods you can create crap. The popular song as we know it today is the product of the music industry (Tin Pan Alley) and the industrialisation (which created the mass audience). Before that time popular music was folk music. In folk there was no division between