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andrew |
In The Know (as always) wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
No,of course not, but humiliating and alienating people wont make them want to change their lifestyle and/or get a job.
Something that I've been advocating for some time .....
Smart Cards to pay benefits
No more cash - to spend on ciggies, booze, drugs and scratchcards.
ONLY redeemable in selected shops for genuine goods and services.
How will bills be paid for ITK ?
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SP17 |
Things are very different in the USA - where 92 million people are currently out of the workforce!
And a sighificant proportion of them are in receipt of weekly/emergency benefit payments of $256, and have been for 5/6 years.
In comparison, the UK is doing well - for the moment.
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In The Know (as always) |
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
There are plenty of a certain type of job, maybe, but a lot of people on the dole are not suitable and never will be. Manufacturing needs to be restored so there are plenty of factory jobs etc.
Manufacturing? We were the biggest manufacturer in the world, honey! People will NOT pay for overpriced (shoddy?) goods.
Would YOU pay double for a Big Mac? Would YOU pay double for a British manufactured tee shirt (so someone can have a higher wage)? I thought not - and neither will anyone else. They will simply go elsewhere (which is exactly WHY China is now the manufacturing capital of the world - not the UK) !
"if" the jobs are there then people should be searching constantly for them and sanctioned (after appeal) if they don't, not humiliated and punished like a prisoner.
"If" there are no jobs it is simply cruel.
Its time to be "cruel", honey !
There are MORE people in work now that at any other time - ever !
These people are "too comfortable" sitting at home watching the telly and scrounging food from "food banks". Its time to squeeze them out of their complacency. They will NEVER do anything themselves unless forced to do so. |
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
In The Know (as always) wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
No,of course not, but humiliating and alienating people wont make them want to change their lifestyle and/or get a job.
Something that I've been advocating for some time .....
Smart Cards to pay benefits
No more cash - to spend on ciggies, booze, drugs and scratchcards.
ONLY redeemable in selected shops for genuine goods and services.
How do they think addicts will get the money for drugs, booze and gambling then? Because they will get it somehow. 
I think it is only meant for cases where the parents are misusing the money and neglecting the children. (so far) but if it is widespread the shops with the power will raise the prices and sensible people's families will suffer because they wont be able to use markets,boot sales and charity shops which is usually how people on low incomes manage.
I say if children are suffering and the situation is so bad that the parents genuinely cant be trusted with money it is time to remove them. |
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
No,of course not, but humiliating and alienating people wont make them want to change their lifestyle and/or get a job.
Won't it?
Are you sure?
With ever dwindling benefits it MAY make them actually TRY and make themselves employable !
Your recipe offers nothing but the same - sit at home watching telly blaming everyone else for "no jobs"
There are plenty of jobs - what is in short supply is employable people !
There are plenty of a certain type of job, maybe, but a lot of people on the dole are not suitable and never will be. Manufacturing needs to be restored so there are plenty of factory jobs etc.
Usually when you alienate people it makes them even more reluctant to join in. We should be building self confidence, not destroying it and creating an "us" and "them" attitude. We are all us and we are all them and it is everybodys problem.
"if" the jobs are there then people should be searching constantly for them and sanctioned (after appeal) if they don't, not humiliated and punished like a prisoner.
"If" there are no jobs it is simply cruel. |
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