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Earth to Spree: 
Angry United Airlines pilots union issue statement denying ALL responsibility for forcible removal of doctor last week and say Chicago cops are to blame
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4411096...s-Dao-s-removal.html |
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Of course hi-jacking on the ground changes everything - as does the presence of air-marshals (who are not on the vast majority of aircraft, including this one).
As do attacks on the aircraft, incendiary devices, suicide bombers etc. However - as you well know - I was referring to normal day to day commercial flights, like the subject one.
You will also note that I described the airline's actions as abysmal - and have no vested interest in that industry.
Stopped - I have...
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hedda |
If a plane is hi-jacked on the ground you are claiming the captain has ultimate authority and can order the FBI, police to stay away and handle the matter himself.
There are numerous US laws that cover flying..Air Marshals to begin with who have total authority over a flight crew.
The law is far more complicated than that and this aspect is a ridiculous red-herring to the matter in hand- that of a passenger being brutalised and wrongfully removed under United's own rule (please read press release above), followed by a failed campaign of vilification that has backfired spectacularly.
Are you a United trolly dolly? Perhaps you work in their PR department (what PR department?  ) Probably not a United Airline's shareholder who just watched his/her investment plummet.
a pointless argument. Stop it. |
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Hedda deliberately misses the point that - under international aviation law - the Captain is the legal holder/conduit of the relevant powers.
Obviously he will normally take instructions from his employer - the airline; but the power (say, to remove passengers or change destination) is vested in him/her.
Again I ask Hedda - what alternative authority might be appropriate/better than having the Captain as sole arbitrar?
It is worth noting that the Captain's authority is not absolute - as, for example, he/she needs the permission of others to take-off, land etc.
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hedda |
so many mistakes here.
Even releasing the passenger's name which United (they admitted it) did is a violation of aviation law.
I should forward Spree's insinuation it was the Captain's doing to Mr Dao's lawyers who can add the Captain's name as a CO-defendant to their lawsuit. I wonder if United indemnify their employees against unlawful acts?
Some outrageous statements that basically say police can beat up a passenger and it's justified because their Victim may resist. Just because a person may act foolishly does not suspend their lawful rights.
Chicago Police Dept & United Airline's press release:
“The incident on United flight 3411 was not in accordance with our standard operating procedure and the actions of the aviation security officer are obviously not condoned by the Department,” a spokesperson for the Chicago Department of Aviation told TIME. “That officer (now all 3) has been placed on leave effective today pending a thorough review of the situation.”
Keep trying to pretend it's the victim's fault as you are adding an extra nought to the confidential settlement he will receive.
# The Governor of New Jersey has now suspended the practice of over-booking until it's reviewed.
By the time this is over and in the absolutely disastrous handling of the event it It will be Dr.Dao Airlines instead of United. |
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