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wjlmarsh |
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The basic problem you've got is that there are so many allegations and no way of proving they are all untrue. Before the world went mad it would have been the practice to look at any allegations that are actually corroborated. I must admit I have only looked at the Stoke Mandeville report and there seemed to be no corroboration, not even any hospital records to show these people had been in the hospital. However, I have never seen corroboration of any of the other allegations in press reports other than dodgy corroborations from people producing a forged letter, for example. Pre-2012 that would have been the end of the matter. If someone was accused of these offences after their death with no corroboration they would not have had their reputation destroyed. Now clearly this is not the case.
How do you put the genie back in the bottle? A hell of a lot of politicians and journalists would have to admit they had wrongly accused a lot of people. I hate to be pessimistic but I can't see it happening. Maybe history will judge and some good will come out of this in the long run.
Firstly, Randall if at the time you reported your story you may of succeeded with no come back if you couldn't convince the hospital which appears was almost impossible to do!!!!
Some good news I saw one or two hospitals refuse to entertain any stories with nothing to support them, thus paid out nothing.
Anonymous your comments are spot on and what were and are the issues that faced me when I embarked on the task of writing a defense.
Unusual for me as I never watch much TV, actually saw the first broadcast of Exposure and asked in my head the usual question from start to finish "What is the evidence?" It clearly had no evidence but gossipers, party stories and lots of emotion and catch phrases, but not a scrape of reliable evidence. Various life experiences have taught me time and again that a story no matter from whom on it's own without corroboration and especially with no word from the other parties involved has to be entertained from a close friend and/or family member (What choice does one have?) but still always needs confirming if total acceptance and/or action is required. Otherwise ignored! At that tiime I felt alone for a long time wondering about my sanity as I appeared to be the only one who could not accept the new view. Had not discovered JK's blog back then. And at that time it was Moor Larkin's blog that saved me!!! Later Raccoon and others. Thanks to all you courageous soul using your talents and time to put the records straight.
With writing a book and putting it on Amazon Kindle has given an opportunity to give an alternative view and hopefully a chance for people in years to come to start and over time correct history at least!!!
I first wrote on Max Clifford as he was the first major celebrity in the Operation Yewtree trial queue. I knew nothing at the time of "believing the victim" as a policy then or how much the police, CPS, judges plus many others had gone completely maverick and were ignoring their own rules but it was so obvious in the reports on Max's trial (Yes I know in many ways he was now the recipient of stories just as he had been publishing and promoting of others but he still should of had a fair trial if not for him for the standards of the UK). Now when the appeal came up some copies suddenly sold. Where else are people going to find a difference view.
So in the interests of justice and taking an opportunity to do what is right and make a small change as opposed to doing nothing writing a book / b;og can be done.
Anonymous the issues/challenges I tackled "head on" in the book.I even found a couple of non recent sexual abuse cases that illustrated cases that evidence that is reliable supported the cases. So I have written about the scale of the numbers and found ways to challenge the argument and hopefully shown that the ideas of numbers in Jimmy Savile's case is a great story but to any serious researcher (almost non existence!!!) then the numbers argument is a nonsense once everything is considered in contexT.
Positive change in our societies can happen in minutes and other times take thousands of years to achieve. Most solutions are very simple and the major problem is the hearts of people.
Take for example homelessness, lack of basics and food in the UK could be solved in a matter of months. There are already the resource, there is the food and the money can be made available plus many countries have experiences of positive change that can be copied and can be implemented. There are resources and money for Trident and that major inquiry of historical abuse why not to help real people suffering now. And the programme can anticipate occurring homelessness each day, lifestyle abuse of drugs etc and new people entering homelessness. Just needs leadership that has a full plan that is constantly improved with new challenges and a greater understanding. A "can do" and a willingness to learn from others. The UK has tons of available person power available so more paid jobs. Economics needs to get rid of "the allocation of scare resources and realize the resources are not scare at all but actually abundant.. |
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Misa |
Well said, Anonymous. A hell of a lot of politicians and journalists would have to admit they had wrongly accused a lot of people. I hate to be pessimistic but I can't see it happening. Maybe history will judge and some good will come out of this in the long run.I just hope, perhaps unreasonably, that this will happen slightly sooner. It worries me to see that so many have got it something so spectacularly wrong, but it pains me greatly to realise that so many have such a desperate view of their fellow human beings. |
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Randall |
Come to think of it, I once attended Stoke Mandeville hospital, about 20 years ago. I was cycling through the countryside nearby and took a nasty spill on some wet leaves. I made it to the hospital to get the scrapes cleaned and patched up.
I could easily tag a Jimmy Savile story onto that experience. There are plenty of details online that I could include to make it look like I'm telling the truth. Do I win some money? |
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Anonymous |
The basic problem you've got is that there are so many allegations and no way of proving they are all untrue. Before the world went mad it would have been the practice to look at any allegations that are actually corroborated. I must admit I have only looked at the Stoke Mandeville report and there seemed to be no corroboration, not even any hospital records to show these people had been in the hospital. However, I have never seen corroboration of any of the other allegations in press reports other than dodgy corroborations from people producing a forged letter, for example. Pre-2012 that would have been the end of the matter. If someone was accused of these offences after their death with no corroboration they would not have had their reputation destroyed. Now clearly this is not the case.
How do you put the genie back in the bottle? A hell of a lot of politicians and journalists would have to admit they had wrongly accused a lot of people. I hate to be pessimistic but I can't see it happening. Maybe history will judge and some good will come out of this in the long run. |
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Jo |
Excellent analysis, wjlmarsh. I see that in the quote from the Dame Janet Smith review, Wilfred De'Ath is courteously referred to as "Mr De'Ath" while Jimmy Savile is just "Savile". Seems to sum it up, really. |
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