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JK2006 |
Well said wyot. |
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wyot |
hedda wrote:
Just one of probably 1000s of stories we don;t hear about where lives are upended.
Upended and ended lives Hedda.
The now thousands as you say we don't see weeping families talking about on our evening news; the thousands who aren't daily numbered on our smart phones as "UK Panicdemic death toll latest!".
These are the nameless ever increasing casualties of the mistimed and extensive lockdown the UK endured and in parts endures.
You won't hear about them on the mainstream media (at the moment). You have to look for them; they won't jump out. The casualties - men, women, children - are not all dead, of course.
Most will live; thousands of them have and will die.
Most are young now and about to find the future has been pulled from under them in terms of employment, dignity and independent living.
They will be angry,too; so we will all suffer.
Thousands have now died because they were too media-terrorised to attend a hospital or treatment was not available.
When I see reports/evidence casting doubt on the effect or need for our lockdown at the time and in the form it took; yes I get angry.
Angry at irresponsible media and posturing politicians who won't tell the truth because of their fucking careers.
I hope I am wrong. I hope the wreckage of our country and the future of a generation of young people being put on the line had to happen - because to have done otherwise would have meant millions more lives would have been lost.
But I think we just got it horribly wrong. Lockdown started too late. We failed to protect the vulnerable properly. As lockdown went on and on - fuelled by the flames of media - the politicians had no idea how to stop it.
Still don't.
Covid is not the greatest disaster that I have lived through (I'm 47), but our reaction to it - over time - will I believe prove to be.
The only way to stop this is for those in power to admit they have got it all horribly wrong and get the media on board to soothe a haunted nation.
Are Boris and Dominic noble and sage enough for the task? |
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hedda |
the lockdown must be so annoying and depressing for young healthy people.
I've had serious reasons to visit a hospital urgently in the last 3 months..one a 4 day stay.
the treatment I got was sensational..because all elective surgery is on hold (must be awful for those waiting), Doctors , nurses fussing over me day and night.
A daughter of a close friend who has a severe condition that requires Ketamine to kill the pain has now been put on hold over an extended hospital stay. She was the youngest patient in Oz to be treated with Marijuana for pain but problems arose and she must be weaned off it.Delayed now until November when it was due to start in March.
Just one of probably 1000s of stories we don;t hear about where lives are upended. |
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Honey |
wyot wrote:
Honey wrote:
How do we find out what the infection/death rates would have been if nobody had locked down at all?
There must have been a model covering the whole world, but I cant seem to find it. 
We can't know Honey. We can only compare international responses (including no lockdowns) and draw tentative conclusions about the effectiveness of different approaches on varying demographics.
But in my view you don't initiate a disaster (as is started and coming because of our sustained lockdown) unless you have compelling evidence and reason to do so.
And that could only be evidence (which was never there for anyone who took the time to study it) demonstrating that the lives we are losing now due to lockdown were necessary to save far more lives.
We never had the evidence to justify it.
Some continue to mistake this view either as arrogant and unqualified; or callous.
It is neither.
It is informed and humane.
And I will shamelessly enjoy the schadenfreude over the next couple of years when the amoral press turns full circle and we have headlines like "Duped! Lockdown Lunacy..."
Oh I agree, Wyot. I am absolutely furious about the ongoing farce.
Not that I am necessarily anti-lockdown, if it was brief, complete, and coordinated with other places right at the start it would all be a distant memory now.
It is the pretending that REALLY annoys me.  |
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wyot |
I don't have any suggested solutions Hedda for what for some is an awful virus, and of course currently there is no vaccine so we can't say how far it will go at this stage.
I don't buy any conspiracy theories.
I think that what we have lost is a sense of proportion when you look at death rates. And yes I believe that the media hype the situation - is that a shock to anyone? And when this happens politicians follow.
The medical advice is not clear on a consencus re lockdown being effective or needed.
I hope I am wrong and the price - as you point out for under 50s economically but any age in terms of health treatment - that is and will be paid proves lockdown was fully justified to save hundreds of thousands or millions of lives.
But so far the evidence is mightily unclear Hedda... |
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