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Topic History of: Brexit & Trade £17 billion
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Green Man |
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.
Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.
The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.
Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.
If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.
The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.
Also Robbie, farmers don't want people to moan working on a muddy wet field or working in hot weather, nor do they want to be asked about the next fag break.
Farmers like foreign workers because they do the work, some workers get lodgings which is taken from off the wages. It's like apple pickers in USA the jobs are filled by Mexicans or the old.
Yes, they do the work for a sub-minimum wage, don't grass up their employers because their English isn't good enough. British workers have applied for fruit picking jobs, but they don't even get a reply, because they are too savvy to go along with Farmer's exploitative employment methods. Unemployment is at a very low rate at the moment, the idea that there are millions at home watching daytime tv and living it up on £75/week is ridiculous. Benefits street, and such like, represents a tiny proportion of the population.
I like to know the farmers whom you are contact with. My farming buddies rarely get an application from a British citizen(clues are the name on the forms or accent on the blower). When they tried to get British pickers they were unreliable, lazy and some turned up late then give crap excuses; so they stopped hiring.
When they got the foreign workers the pickers work like clockwork and they are paid the min wage but get bonuses twice a year especially at Christmas. Most employers they pain the wage but there's no exploitation, no cash in hand, no unpaid hours and they do get paid holidays.
In my old pub I had lots of unemployed spending their benefits on pints and filling their job search books just before they had to go to Jobcentre and then they come back to the pub for another pint after they finished.
You could tell they had no ambition to get a job, even I tried to get a job in my pub when I needed a kitchen porter, cleaner or even cook. I would get a "No thanks" in a reply. I'd actually paid a bit more than min wage because working in a pub is hard work. |
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robbiex |
Green Man wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.
Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.
The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.
Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.
If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.
The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.
Also Robbie, farmers don't want people to moan working on a muddy wet field or working in hot weather, nor do they want to be asked about the next fag break.
Farmers like foreign workers because they do the work, some workers get lodgings which is taken from off the wages. It's like apple pickers in USA the jobs are filled by Mexicans or the old.
Yes, they do the work for a sub-minimum wage, don't grass up their employers because their English isn't good enough. British workers have applied for fruit picking jobs, but they don't even get a reply, because they are too savvy to go along with Farmer's exploitative employment methods. Unemployment is at a very low rate at the moment, the idea that there are millions at home watching daytime tv and living it up on £75/week is ridiculous. Benefits street, and such like, represents a tiny proportion of the population. |
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robbiex |
Green Man wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.
Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.
The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.
Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.
If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.
The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.
Also Robbie, farmers don't want people to moan working on a muddy wet field or working in hot weather, nor do they want to be asked about the next fag break.
Farmers like foreign workers because they do the work, some workers get lodgings which is taken from off the wages. It's like apple pickers in USA the jobs are filled by Mexicans or the old.
Also freedom of movement affects crime. Watching Crimewatch live or the Real CSI, it's staggering how many of the criminals are Eastern European. The proportion of muslims in prison compared to the general population |
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Wyot |
Well the one elusive benefit to Brexit is certainly not financial, it would seem. 4% off GDP is * cough * considerably more than the 50p per person the trade deals will bring in over 15 years...
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/b...ealand-b1952442.html
My search continues... |
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Green Man |
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.
Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.
The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.
Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.
If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.
The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.
Also Robbie, farmers don't want people to moan working on a muddy wet field or working in hot weather, nor do they want to be asked about the next fag break.
Farmers like foreign workers because they do the work, some workers get lodgings which is taken from off the wages. It's like apple pickers in USA the jobs are filled by Mexicans or the old. |
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