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Topic History of: The Vatican and Sex Abuse
Max. showing the last 5 posts - (Last post first)
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JK2006 |
The shocking abuse of innocent dead people (innocent until proven guilty) by the legal system and the media is just a part of the appalling False Allegations Industry. Assumption of Guilt (as it's a better story) is even easier if the victim is dead and thus cannot sue. But I think we can start to destroy this by beginning to prosecute false accusers who are either deliberately lying for money or for other reasons. Not everyone. Not the genuinely deluded or those genuinely abused. But those who say they were 15 when they were 17 or 17 when they were 18. Those who shout RAPE years later when it was consensual (if stupid, drunk or on drugs). Those innocents but misguided (often by media hype) should not be prosecuted unless deliberate malice can be proved. Which is often far easier than you would imagine. False accusers are often incredibly stupid. If only I'd known that in 2001. |
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Amanda |
£16k+ for the Lawyers of the Complainants and the same for the lawyers appointed by NatWest the Executors.
Still have the official letter informing me his Estate stood at £Nil.
When in Court Justice Sales said "I will not stand for a Lawyer feeding frenzie"
Costs for that Court appearance were an eye watering amount well in excess of £100k. My expenses £109, bus and taxi fares. |
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JK2006 |
The Vatican, of course, had obtained a copy of Saunders' police interview in which he gives a detailed admission of his appalling crime but says he was "too drunk to stop her" (they were in the toilet for over an hour - he must have been VERY drunk). He must have known this when the story broke eventually so could not deny it. And remember he had (and still has) a network of legal contacts who also want to defend their position. They make fortunes from False Allegations (as did he). Remember the Savile case where "victims" made next to nothing because all Savile's money had been used up - by LAWYERS! |
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JK2006 |
Yes the Vatican is and was keen not to destroy people without solid evidence although one would think that not destroying priests against whom the only evidence was one person's word should still apply (but media was less powerful in the old days). They knew the allegations were true and had been admitted to by Saunders but he claimed - in a glorious piece of Victim Blaming learned by running his charity - that it was all HER fault. Since there had been no prosecution or trial (why not?) they allowed the rumour to be put about that he'd been "bullying" other panel members. I don't think even he was aware of the truth. But the truth is they were deeply shocked by his behaviour - considering it might well reflect that of many other trusted survivors". As indeed Carl Beech later illustrated - the "tip of the iceberg" reality.
In fact this really helped the current Pope - a decent man - to begin considering the other side of many possibly false allegations against Catholics.
Before Saunders many had gotten away with it.
Since then, the falsely accused have been quietly assisted (like Cardinal Pell).
It's still difficult to go against the media which will always support a good story.
But Attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice is getting to be a great story too. |
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hedda |
With perfect timing re the Mafia in Australia the ABC runs a tale.
Saunders was booted from the Vatican committee on abuse for allegedly bullying other members.
My Italian investigative journalist pal says the Cardinal Pell prosecution was driven by corrupt Oz cops in league with the Italian Mafia to derail George Pell who had been tasked to clean up Vatican finances..riddled with Mafia input.
Often studied, rarely prosecuted: How the mafia gets away with it in Australia
The Australian Federal Police media release about the extent of the Italian mafia in this country sounded impressive. Until you realise how many similar exercises it has run.
In mid-2015 in Melbourne’s north, a small group of wealthy businessmen left their phones at a nearby property and walked into a shipping container to talk. They really did not want anyone to hear their discussion.
But a clue to the business at hand may have lain in the identity of the most senior of them.
www.smh.com.au/national/often-studied-ra...20220609-p5asjj.html |
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