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Topic History of: Starmer's hardness
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Rich |
Further to the person on here who regrets their vote, I've spoken to someone younger than me in their early 40s I know well who was proudly proclaiming their vote for Starmer and Labour just over three months ago at the election and fell for it all. Well as of this week they have now described Starmer as - "Wicked and cruel, wholly corrupt, deceitful and clueless" but perhaps the most devastating was as a "wolf in sheep's clothing". He really is.
But why couldn't people see this beforehand? Many could. This is why he only got 33.7% vote from those who voted. Easily a losing vote share in a normal election.
So now we are all consigned and sentenced to 5 years HARD LABOUR.
The kickback against Labour will be far more severe than for the Tories when it comes. If you raise peoples hopes up high and then dash them big time or worse than what you replaced then boy are you in for a massive fall. Starmer is the political equivalent of an Indian call centre or Nigerian email scammer. |
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Chris |
Ron Davies, now there's a blast from the past, I'd long forgotten him. It matters because he was a cabinet minister and could be blackmailed in the situation he was in. Looking it up, it was 1998, and I'm sure, although not certain, it was the same time someone outed Mandy on Newsnight.
Wasn't the golden era, if ever there was, meant to be about ten years into the Tory period in power under Mr McMillan in about 1960 when we had never had it so good according to him. |
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Wyot |
GM/Mick - please read the line I wrote preceeding "seems like a golden era". It reads "apart from the foreign incursions...".
Gentleman, I agree with you on the Iraq war.
Mick - I also wrote that New Labour "seemsnow like a golden era". Not that it was a golden era as you charge me with.
You raise issues of sleaze and profiteering. However, I did not say on what terms it seems like a golden era now. It was not the ones you assumed. And these things have ever been thus.
Though I'm not sure why you raise Ron Davies having a good time on Clapham Common - what's the problem with that? I mean possibly a bit damp on the knees and he could have got a hotel room but otherwise...
I would make the efffort to list what I think was superior in that era to recent years, if I thought anyone was reading sufficiently carefully in the first place...  |
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Mick |
New Labour a golden era, get outta here! Is it too late to have buyers remorse for voting for them in '97 and 2001? They lit the fuse for so many of the big problems we now have that are exploding in our faces.
Who remembers Ron Davies the cabinet minister and Secretary of State for Wales who had to resign not long after Labour won in 1997 because he was caught getting up to no good with a man on Clapham Common behind his wife's back.
What about the Bernie Ecclestone affair not long after they came into power too, giving favours to big business that others didn't get on the smoking advertising ban.
Peter Mandelson having to resign from cabinet, not once, but twice and still allowed back again to become an EU commisioner on that gravy train.
All sleaze just like the rest. No golden era.
We had a near miss on joining the euro that New Labour Blair wanted, that Brown resisted. Big disaster averted there for the future at least.
The Iraq war, just lies upon lies, Blair seemed intoxicated with the power of being associated with a very right wing American President which baffles me to this day. He could never have seriously believed his own 45 minute claim about Iraq weapons hitting the UK. Compare New Labour to Old Labour when Wilson in the 60's resisted completely that American President of the time, Johnson, and refused our involvement in Vietnam and wasting young UK servicemen.
People have short memories. I've learnt the hard way not to believe in golden eras and dream tickets. |
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Green Man |
Wyot wrote:
Sally Nice wrote:
Wyot wrote:
if you look at graphs of national debt since 1997 New Labour rather set the trend
A different perspective!
New Labour seems now like a golden era.
Do you want to say that to the families who lost their their loved ones for an illegal war started by a false flag operation just like the Vietnam War? |
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