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Topic History of: Giuffre - the end
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Jo	hedda wrote: He also adds that the Andrew photo is real as he was sent the original copy by Virginia shortly after it was taken but if that's the case why didn't she say she was assaulted by Andrew?. Why would you send your father a photo with your alleged abuser without mentioning the assault? Or was she just boasting she had met him? That's interesting. It does sound as if it was a boast and she hadn't been abused. She apparently said the photo was a souvenir for her mum. She earlier told the Mail on Sunday that the four of them went upstairs at Maxwell’s flat and she asked Epstein to “snap a picture of me with the Prince”. “I wanted something to show my mom,” she said. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/america...-trial-b2015760.html She must have decided to spin a story from it, maybe starting with boasting to her friend that she'd had sex with Prince Andrew, then the "memoir", then when she couldn't get that published, trying for money through the courts.
hedda	Reports in The Sun, Express and elsewhere saying her father does not believe she committed suicide. He also adds that the Andrew photo is real as he was sent the original copy by Virginia shortly after it was taken but if that's the case why didn't she say she was assaulted by Andrew?. Why would you send your father a photo with your alleged abuser without mentioning the assault? Or was she just boasting she had met him? That farm she lived on looks very remote and desolate to me especially as she appears to have lived there on her own. And especially after losing custody of her kids and a marriage break up. And no amount of money can make up for misery.
JK2006	And never forget the enablers - those who encouraged Giuffre to re-invent her experiences. Lawyers - and possibly even friends and family who may genuinely have believed the media coverage of - first - Epstein, then Prince Andrew, then Ghislaine Maxwell. Who can blame them? Why should we disbelieve media coverage? We have neither the time nor the inclination. A good story is a better story if slightly inflated. Someone who finds girls attractive can easily be painted as a predator (and quite often they are - even if less aggressive than described). Anyone who is happy to have sex - either through desire or for reward - can be painted as a victim. It only takes a tweak. No harm done. That is the prevailing morality of the century.
Jo	Granted the royals are a bit odd, but I find the whole scenario as described by Giuffre distinctly odd and hard to believe: 1. Ghislaine Maxwell inserting herself into Prince Andrew's sex life by instructing Giuffre to do for him what she did for Epstein, which also suggest that Prince Andrew and Epstein shared the same sexual preferences and had discussed that; 2. Giuffre and Prince Andrew having sex in Ghislaine Maxwell's bathroom while she and Epstein did whatever. As far as I'm aware, Giuffre was the only Epstein alleged victim to have claimed to be farmed out to other people. Would he really have had a gang of girls but have farmed out only one? And would Epstein's guests/friends/acquiantances really have been having sex as part of their association with him, including sharing his preferences? Most people's interaction with their hosts/friends/acquaintances doesn't involve sex. I suspect that, whatever Epstein's personal activities, and no matter how rich or powerful the people he associated with were, the same most likely applied to them. But that's a pretty boring story.
JK2006	My personal suspicion is that Andrew may have had perfectly legal sexual interaction with her. She was probably paid a lot (by Epstein or Maxwell). He may just have met her and not been interested (I was always very wary of hookers - not just the danger of STDs but I only got aroused when the other person was genuinely turned on - and not by the prospect of cash). But whether or not an adult had sex with another adult is not important - it's the road leading to crime - to blackmail and false allegations, the crimes of this century.