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Topic History of: Music Fan Stopped on way back from Neil Young gig
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Author	Message
Angel	Crimes against musical journalism?
BR	The music fan and industry dress in a very particular way ( look at how those Goth music fans were beaten up and one killed ) The Police are trained to be able to notice people and notice what their likely job - threat is in an instant. Sometimes we forget that. They can tell what people do - whether they are "upper class" " rich" "chav" - even we can do a bit of that if we are honest. In addition there is a huge difference late at night between someone coming home from work in music and the average punter in say the West End - for one we are not drunk ! Most Musicians dress in a noticable way as well ( or why would they want to be on stage ) I do think that people like Pete and Amy suffer greatly at the hands of the Police. I really dont think you can argue otherwise. You rarely hear of Journalists being mis arrested or stopped by The police ( Unless they come from an ethnic minority ) - give me an example ? I bet you cant even think of one. Because the Police DO KNOW who is who roughly. When they stopped me they knew that I was law abiding ( They did not even search my bag - and i opened it for them to show them all the CDs and documents for the meeting ) they did not care because they had already judged from my reaction to being stopped that I had nothing to hide ( They are trained like that as well I am sure ) At the moment people are being killed on the STREETS in the evening.....so the Police put up METAL ARCHES for commuters ( who work ) at Rail Stations.....anyone see the slight problem there. Once again they harass the working ordinary people - and leave the criminals alone. Last night TWO ( Yes TWO ) were KILLED by stabbing on the streets of North East London ( where these things have been happening alot in the Edmonton - Stratford area ) Yet the KNIFE teams were in stations in leafy suburbs with their arches with SKY TV News !!! This is the shocking truth - and until we all start to stop making excuses for our Police avoiding dealing with the REAL criminals then we will get the pathetic protection on our streets that we deserve. It is OUR fault for not making a fuss about this. The Police have lost the streets of many areas of London - that is a fact. We all know that. I believe it is true for other cities as well in the UK. Luckily the main areas are still safe and the "nice" areas are still safish. That is why no one is complaining ( It is like we have written off many poor areas ) We have a two or even three tier society growing in the UK.....it is worrying,
JK2006	But I know numerous reasons why Rick would and should be stopped!
Angel	Check your'e original comment. Last sentence? In what way do people who work in the media differ in appearance from the average human? Again, i agree with what you're saying but some of the reasons given are very peculiar and don't make sense. If you talk about ethnic minorities being stopped randomly then its fully understandable. I cant see Rick Sky getting stopped for no apparent reason, then again.
BR	Aaah the "you've done nothing wrong" argument. Basically a Stop and Search takes about 30 minutes and can take more if you are underground ! There is a massive form for the Police to fill in...... So if you are on your way home after a gig late at night - you really dont want to be waiting around for 30 mins. I know from many bands in Vans - they get stopped alot and the vans are often searched ( for illegal substances I would expect !! ) To give you one more HIGH PROFILE example this week - a young lad who is a RAPPER was stopped at Bournemouth Railway Station by ARMED POLICE and forced to lie on the floor ( He has since written on his My Space it was the WORST and MOST TRAUMATIC experience in his life to be surrounded by Police like that ) So when you make glib "if you have done nothing wrong comments" then think about the trauma being stopped can often bring......and for DE MENEZES and that CHELSEA BARRISTER they dont even LIVE to tell the tale about their "Mistaken ID" stop. We need to stop criminals - not law abiding citizens. The Police AVOID going to estates where there is trouble - how often do you hear " I rang the Police but they never came or arrived 2 or 3 or 4 hours later" : THIS IS BECAUSE THE POLICE ARE STOPPING inncocent people ( who have nothing to hide !!) and ignore REAL CRIMINAL activities ( in case they get hurt or because it creates EVEN MORE paperwork !!! ) The Police have lost the streets and are picking on soft targets.