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Topic History of: 3 Years for spying on kids
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veritas |
well I'm a father and I've taken snaps of my kids when running about naked but it was 30 years ago !. I definitely wouldn't do it now for fear of being accused. We used some at my sons wedding and everybody laughed their heads off !
Again-you are trying to make a "black and white" case of something when this just isn't the case.
For example-nude photos of children taken from nudist websites are routinely classified as "child porn "in the UK and described in sensational police press release and subsequently newspapers as "the worst kind of abuse" when clearly no physical abuse is happening.
Nudist magazines were published carrying this content right up to the late 80's and parents often accompanied their children in these pictures. It is simply ludicrous to suggest that all nudists are therefore peadophiles because they partcipated in this activity ( which doesn't mean there weren't pedos amongst them..just as in every other walk of life)
And in the USA this type of photograph-nude children in no-sexual poses is not classified as child porn as it's protected under the Consitution. There has to be a "sexual" aspect to the photo for it to be classed as porn..but even then that is a difficult concept.
There are also several European countries where the subject is treated similarly. As for peadophiles lurking-what about Cap D'Age the completely nudist town in the South of France which I wandered into by chance when staying at a friends nearby house. I was totally unprepared and I admit-totally shocked but by the end of the day-it all appeared to be so normal. Who knows what peadophiles were there feasting on the visual image of so many children running about ? ( I've never been back as I'm scared of skin cancer !)
It is a legitimate to bring in the subject of other types of photgraphs or images to illustrate the differing beliefs in law.
For instance-the dreadful 9/11 events were guaranteed to garner maximum coverage for a cause.
Beheading videos were deliberately distributed for a cause. Watching them-as those who perpetuated those outrages knew many in the West would and did directly contributed to people dying.
Contrast that with vision of the WW2 Concentration camps which were specifically ordered by US Army commanders as they feared no-one would accept their stories as true.They were filmed for the right reasion and provide an enduring proof of the evil of the Nazis.
So debating this issue is necessary and the "sensational" element should be removed-as promoted by tabloids who take the "black and white" view and perpetuate myths.
The police also muddy the water and do routinely exagerate and cause mischief that leads to innocents being charged.
Overall-there is simply a driven hysteria about a subject there need not be.
I've seen no-one on here condone the abuse of children-I certainly don't and I even find the physical punishment of children abhorrent-I believe they are angels who should be allowed a care free childhood as long as possible.
But others use this subject for their own nefarious reasons and it's not always for the protection of children and I find that equally as abhorrent as real child abusers. These witch hunts invariably end up ensnaring innocent people. |
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robbiex |
I would say that it would be highly unlikely that you would be convicted for just clicking on a link, most offenders have thousands of images on their pcs before they are convicted and usually they have paid for the images, hence that is how they are caught.
I would say that although it is wrong and unhealthy to view such images the real criminals are the ones committing the abuse and taking the pictures. If the mere viewing of a picture is a crime, then the vice squal are massive criminals. |
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JK2006 |
I think we've covered every aspect and hereby declare this thread CLOSED! |
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BR |
There needs to be a balance.
We all should want children to be protected and safe from danger. Most danger comes from within the family unit - and there is also a small risk from Predatory Paedophiles ( and it is a very very small one statistically ! )
At the same time the "allegation" culture which has been adopted in the last few years in order to create compensation cases etc. and for some people to "settle scores" is now out of control.
Yesterday in the DAILY MAIL there was a shocking story of a Deputy Head of a special needs school who is now no longer able to work in Education because no one will employ him.......has he been charged or convicted of any crime ? NO !!! He has had three unsubstantiated allegations made via a weird social services type of interegation - ADDED to his CRB RECORD>
The ENHANCED CRB record which is now the normal check holds not only convictions - but a record of all allegations.
The result of this is as follows for people like Teachers etc.
1. If you discipline a class or fall out personally with a student they can make an allegation against you ( they can even withdraw it later )
2. If you work in a tough area some children need attention so they may well make allegations in order to be fussed over.
The result of this would be that NOW you would LOSE YOUR JOB even if the case never went anywhere, Not only that you would never work again because your CRB Check would record these unproven and unfounded allegations.
When CHINA went through the Cultural Revolution a big part was played by Children who made "allegations" against their parents. Many hundreds of thousands of parents were killed for not be proper Party Members - based on the testimony of their children. Kids WILL make up things in order to get things. That is part of being a kid.
Therefore our Government has intentionally set up a CRB system which could be extended to control who can and cant work. I can see the day when POLICE themselves start making allegations against people to be recorded on their CRB checks in order to prevent them from working - this could be for political reasons and so on.
Dont laugh - because if you read the MAIL yesterday you would see how easy the CRB system would be to corrupt by a Government/police in order to be another fascist layer of control over people.
I believe NO ALLEGATIONS should ever be on a CRB check. A CRB check should only include convictions where the allegation has been proved. The current checks are another example of a Witch Hunt against ordinary people by this government.
We are living in very dangerous times. I firmly believe ( with evidence and most Political Historians agree accross the Globe ) that we are facing a Big Brother stater which is being brought in by stealth. They are using TERRORISM and PAEDOPHILE scares to bring in legislation and laws and CRB checks which are already being used against ordinary people who are NOT terrorists or paedos. To use unproven allegations to stop people getting jobs is a frightening thing. It is now happening. |
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Godiver |
I also never mentioned wrongful convictions and it cheapens the debate to suggest i did and use it against me. I have kids and subsequently have many pictures of them in the bath/running around naked in the garden etc that get shown to friends and family without any thought of anything sexual being extracted. I also find it just as ridiculous when the press react to peadophile non-stories with hypocritical vengeance.
However, my point (and i believe the point of Mr Clarke) is that when someone is found with pornographic (featuring the act of sex) material featuring young children, they should get punished and controlled via a register for the rest of their lives.
I know that JK will say that all the posters agree but i would not be so sure, some of the above posters state clearly that they liken child porn to news photos of abuse.
Someone above even asked what the difference is between showing a child war victim for news or a porn image to illustrate a child porn story! It is almost not worthy of a reply, but the difference is at the source, the person took the photo for news purposes or for the enjoyment of weirdos. Black and white. |
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