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Topic History of: Damian Green, Matthew Kelly and Jonathan King
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JK2006 |
Ah, the mighty Clare - thanks for reminding me Al; I must send her a Xmas card. |
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Al |
We must also remember that the Parliamentary All Party Select Committee on false allegations of child abuse found that there are serious falws in the system and likely to be a large number of wrongly convicted persons (mostly men). Their report and recommendations were supressed by the government who then changed the laws to make it even easier to convict without evidence.
Labour MP Claire Curtis Thomas has continuously challenged the goverbment on this issue, and has expressed her frustration at their lack of willingness to even consider the evidence put before them. They give more powers to the police and turn a blind eye to miscarriages of justice.
I believe Richard Webster has also written about this matter. |
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No-one is-as far as I can see-comparing current events with the Nazis, but I believe pointing out elements of fascism.
However where one draws the line as to who was worst-6 million Jews dead-Stalin or a millon innocents dead during the Iraq War is very complex.
For instance-in the 3 western countries I spend the most time in I see no monuments to the 22 million Russians (11 millon infantry) who died helping us defeat the Nazis. Instead, the Allies ceated a "cold war" to turn them into the enemy.
One can see parallels in history though. It was easier for the Nazis to control public information as they simply took over Germany's extensive newspaper publishing industry-murdering editors and replacing them with their own editors or the like-minded.
Thus when many Germans witnessed he open savagery of KristalNacht, it was easy for many to believe the absence of Jews was because they were being transported for their own safety to Madagascar or some other nonsensical story.
There were no publc anouncements of concentration camps or news reels or well researched articles featuring the death camps and ovens-so all information was second hand ie: anecdotal.
People turned a blind eye or simply didn't believe it was happening. It's human nature. And what could they have done ?. Nothing more than the British people( the majority) or Americans did when their governments invaded Iraq on lies. Or they could forment a revoltion.
Indeed the American commander who was first into Auschwitch ordered filming of the camp and the remaining inmates as he did not think he would be believed.
'No problem' claims my friend as Winston Churhill gave a speech in '38 detailing abuses against Jews. Winston was correct as was my friend in pointing it out. However where these 'anecdotes' even if he gave proof (over the radio ?) and why would the majority of German citizens be listening to or understand a speech in English from Churchill?. Particularly as the German meia was nobled by then.
And more damning-would Britain have allowed all of German and Poland's Jews in as asylum seekers ?.
One uses history-and more recent history to try and learn from mistakes-or one doesn't-or one has to plough through the variety of re-written vesions of history.
There is important differnece we can learn from comparing the media of today with that of 60 years ago-today the media is self controlled and often pushes and uses politicians into adopting certain viewpoints.
What has the House of Horrors got to do with a 'politicised' police force and BR's claims that police can now trawl your private life via computer and every other aspect of your life, when before they need court warrants etc.
It has everything to do with it. Jersey was just another in a long string of travesties using "child protection" as an all encompassing excuse to commit terrible acts upon innocent persons. You need to read Richard Webster's well documented books and features to see how many innocent social workers have been jailed ( and finally released)or have commited suicide.
Nothing will happen to any officer , senior or lower in this case. Reports will be produced and recomendations will be made and ignored and the media wins both ways-with the original story and the expose. Plus the media will continue to hound some defenceless mother who commits a small welfare fraud and tsk tsk about the cost of Jersey and those who perpetuated the charade will retire on pensions.
How many psychology lessons do you need to know people can be softened up by a series of processes where in the end, they will accept any version of the truth ?.
And the police ?...I subscribe to Betrand Russell's view of them..there are 2 types of people...one who sees a policeman and thinks he is my friend, the other who thinks he is my enemy. And h wasn't talking from the viewpoint of the Kray twins.
Personally I would question anyone who seeks power over another person and the ability to enforce that power-especially given the likehood of them being caught perpetuating their own illegal act upon another person is small.
Of course there will be honest and well meaning police and politicians but I would need to see them with my own eyes first. The one who acts kindly to me may not do so to my neighbour.
Anecodotes?...being Jewish I say shmanecdotes..if it walks and talks like a duck etc etc.. |
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I do feel these ever more frequent comparisons with Nazi's and Stalin make the poster look absurd and insult those who actually suffered under those regimes.
The connection with our society is not even as good as tenuous.
There are problems with our society but to make uninformed exaggerations and childishly crying wolf is not the sensible way to address it.
If our views are not founded in reality then we are as bad as the ignorance and folly that we decry. |
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JK2006 |
Thank you David - and I bet, sadly, the signs your friend's grandma may have missed would have been anecdotal.
"No, that cannot really be happening...".
We all want to believe everything is alright.
The worst moment in my life (other than my Mum dying) was when it dawned on me the police did not want the truth - just my high profile conviction.
I really believed (fool) that they were on the side of truth. |
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