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Topic History of: LABOUR kill democracy : RIP 08/12/08
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veritas |
I think Thatcher was replaced because her own party decided she was bonkers and they would lose the next election with her still as PM.
Hence the new guy, John Major had to be given pleny of time to settle in. It wasn't about policies but winning elections .
It isn't a fast and fixed rule..that it takes 20 years for an economic decisions to surface and finally do their damage..it's more that both Reagan & Thatcher adored the policies of Milton Friedman who claimed the market should be allowed to self-regulate and the market would eventually find it's own feet and should be allowed complete and unfettered access, that unions were just a hindrance even to their own members.( Blair must have thought so as he continued upon the same course as Thatcher..I shall never forget his many speeches in Opposition proclaiming the evils of 'privatisation' and then dumnping his ideas immediately upon election )
It's one reason why I think the great 'bail-out' should have never happened..that the Friedman experiment should have been allowed to run it's full course
..and if that meant banks, corporations-the lot going to the wall then so be it. Instead we have this complete cop-out where the Brown government ( doing as Bush has and as Reagan and Thatcher would have)adopted socilaism for the corporate sector and bugger the rest of us. And even then there has been no honesty with the 'bail-out'..just more atempts to turn it to private managers advantage and make the taxpayer pay twice , thrice, whatever they can get away with.
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BR |
The current economic crisis is BROWN's creation - by his policies of Banking Deregulation and selling the Gold and then allowing sub prime to be grown from the UK ( even if it did hit the USA the hardest )
I think that on the basis that Labour has had since 1997 and we are not seeing any real return on the growth in terms of better public services ( Look at Baby P ) then I would say vote for anyone but them next election.
But I still thing that the whole picture is alot more complex than just a two party squabble. |
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Nothing was allowed to stand in Thatcher's way?
If that was so, she would never have been replaced.
My hubby is a staunch Conservative voter. For almost four years, between 1988 and 1992 he was unemployed, but he still supported the Tories. He was always in favour of the poll tax. Our local town thrived under Thatcher, with many new business opening up. Only since 1997 have things gone into decline.
It's easy to blame someone else. If we are to say that it takes 20 years for economic policies to take effect, then we could blame the Tory economic slump on the previous Labour government. It could all get very silly.
Labour have been in power for 11 years, and they must take responsibility for their own actions. If the Tories or Lib Dems are in power I would be saying the same. Stop passing the buck. |
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BR |
So who really has power then ? I agree with you all - Thatcher started the process with Reagan - and Blair speeded it up. However, the "big brother" state is being introduced GLOBALLY - and BROWN is leading the way in the UK.
We dont have any choice - though to get BROWN out at least may slow down the Big Brother state - and I totally agree that the current Labour Party is a fascist party in the mould of a "one party state".
Their policies are akin to those of National Socialism. For Jews substitute Muslims. For lebenstraum subsitute defence against terror. For Ministry for Propaganda subsitute the "spinners - Campbell and Mandy" - but it goes deeper than that. For World Domination include G7 and the EU and a one world currency - army - global economy.
If fascists tried to grab power again then they would do it through economic booms and busts - not war. It is not possible to rule the World at the point of a gun. It is better to persuade people it is their best interests to COMPLY with the NWO. Who offer - a. Protection from terror b. protection from climate warming and total destruction c. protection from paedos d. more money than any other system. These are things they create on our TV screens and newspapers - then they offer the SOLUTION.
That is why many people support fascism in the UK. They have been brainwashed into believing it by News INternational and the BBC. |
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veritas |
It depends whether you think government debt is a bad thing-which I don't.
A government going into debt is no different than a person taking out a mortgage to buy a house. And a government has the guaranteed income from tax to service it's debt.
Reaganism/Thatcherism-Nu Labour..all peas in the same pod. Glorification of the corporate sector above all else and worshiping at the feet of the dreaded Milton Friedman...abandonment of government regulations over private business.
George Bush and Tony Blair were Thatcher on steroids, speeding up the process until a few months ago when the house of cards collapsed..as it would inevetably do.
The main problem for Britain is who will pull it out of the mess ? Brown..Cameron..is there a difference ?.
The US has it's shining night on a white horse in Barack Obama who will spend spend spend. |
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