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veritas
In The Know wrote: veritas wrote: the most obvious solution...students study for free and then pay what they can after....
... and what about the ones who "drop out" after wasting YET more of our money ?
Most of these "students" have already had zillions spent on 10 years of education - and most can hardly spell their own name correctly.
Has anyone seen that horrendous Clare Solomon woman being interviewed on TV (Newsnight mainly)? She claims she is a student and is on of their "representatives"
Isn't she a bit old to be a student?
What is she studying ? - "How to avoid getting a job" maybe ?
Education isn't FREE - it never was.
What they mean is WE pay so they get something for FREE !
no of course nothing is free..but that includes the poor and unemployed and as we see..how much are the demonstrations costing ?. You cut one thing...say the dole and you end up paying more via increased crime.
But if you put a barrier in front of genuine talent then we all lose out.
Those who drop out can pay back in proportion.
Corporations do not pay their share of the graduates we produce in universities or college and graduates will pay more in taxes than others. The whole country may benefit from one educated person creating an item that sells and brings in funds.
Just like the working class musicians who actually saved Britain's balance of payments in the 1960's and that's why The Beatles got MBEs.
There has to be a completely 'holistic' approach here..the main agenda should be to find the very best minds and encourage them.
And then identify who benefits the most and apportion cost to them..whether the grads themselves, us or business.
But that requires a complicated thought process and today's politicians who pander to tabloids or the next election cycle will not do.
Agreed...education standards are woeful as they are in the USA. But I think that's deliberate. Those who rule do not want an educated society.
Commend yourself into the hands of the state broadcaster, the BBC. It will gracefully preserve you from such things.
Best Wishes,
Jim
WARNING: Jim has once again descended into irony. It's a Saturday night. Go easy.
Angel
Send this guy in to deal with the students. David Cameron Cop. Problem solved.
In The Know
Chris Retro wrote: Don't make the mistake of confusing "students" as the problem. The problem as I see (as far as the "worth" of higher education goes) is successive governments using higher education as a "farm" in order to massage the employment figures, make degrees "the norm" and we don't have to employ people until they are into their 20s so they do not count as "working population". Of course, may degrees are effectively worthless as tools to gain superior employment as every average intellect has one as opposed to 30/40/50 (etc) years ago to be told your child was "university material" was to be told your child could aim for the Top 10% in life, not run up collossal debts in order to get a job as a trainee manager in a call centre.
Largely agree with you.
Viva la revolution, we have NOTHING to lose!
No ? Ask the Irish - or the Greeks !
LOWER pensions, LOWER tax credits, LOWER minimum wage, LOWER benefits, LOWER jobseekers allowance ... You getting the idea now ?
Chris Retro
Don't make the mistake of confusing "students" as the problem. The problem as I see (as far as the "worth" of higher education goes) is successive governments using higher education as a "farm" in order to massage the employment figures, make degrees "the norm" and we don't have to employ people until they are into their 20s so they do not count as "working population". Of course, may degrees are effectively worthless as tools to gain superior employment as every average intellect has one as opposed to 30/40/50 (etc) years ago to be told your child was "university material" was to be told your child could aim for the Top 10% in life, not run up collossal debts in order to get a job as a trainee manager in a call centre.
It is scam to make it the norm that hardly anyone has spare funds at any point during their adult life and is therefore totally dependent on the availability of credit for "living".
Viva la revolution, we have NOTHING to lose!
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