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Topic History of: our justice system
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Innocent Accused |
In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
While I pretty much agree the fact is the CPS work 'hand in glove' with the police.They are not seen as independant,unlike say a magistrate who would look at all possibilities with a more open mind.
Does it matter ?
There is either enough evidence to convict - or there isn't ?
An example would be the Tomlinson case and the refusal to charge the very guilty copper...until a coroner's court classed it as unlawful killing.A magistrate would have been far more likely to have done that in the beginning.
I agree ... but think you will have an uphill struggle trying to get justice from the police. They ... like the army .... are the "good guys" as far as the governments are concerned (the force of power).
I believe the cuts will change this somewhat.
Yes indeed those cuts may just yet have a silver lining  |
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In The Know |
Innocent Accused wrote:
While I pretty much agree the fact is the CPS work 'hand in glove' with the police.They are not seen as independant,unlike say a magistrate who would look at all possibilities with a more open mind.
Does it matter ?
There is either enough evidence to convict - or there isn't ?
An example would be the Tomlinson case and the refusal to charge the very guilty copper...until a coroner's court classed it as unlawful killing.A magistrate would have been far more likely to have done that in the beginning.
I agree ... but think you will have an uphill struggle trying to get justice from the police. They ... like the army .... are the "good guys" as far as the governments are concerned (the force of power).
I believe the cuts will change this somewhat. |
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Innocent Accused |
In The Know wrote:
Innocent Accused wrote:
The problem here ITK as I and JK know too well is that reports of crimes are not looked at 'independantly'
any old fool can make an allegation,and instead of looking at it independantly it is as good as assumed to be true.
Can you explain ?
Who would be "independent" ?
What would this independent person / organisation do, that is not already done by the CPS ?
The allegations would still have to be tested, and you also have to realise that many other factors come into play too ... such as how convincing would the claimant be in Court etc ?
Its all down to the same thing .... is there enough evidence to convict !
Dont get me wrong - I think there is quite alot wrong with our present system, but cannot think of a better, fairer alternative - to both accuser (there ARE genuine accusers too, you know !) and defendant
While I pretty much agree the fact is the CPS work 'hand in glove' with the police.They are not seen as independant,unlike say a magistrate who would look at all possibilities with a more open mind.
An example would be the Tomlinson case and the refusal to charge the very guilty copper...until a coroner's court classed it as unlawful killing.A magistrate would have been far more likely to have done that in the beginning. |
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In The Know |
veritas wrote:
not necessarily..ie US Attorneys get elected so the more people they bang up the better.
That sounds like a wonderful example of playing the numbers game ... lock someone up (it doesnt matter who) as long as you can claim that the crime is "solved" !
It does little for justice (but then these are Yankers that we are talking about).
The media criticise everything more now than they did 40 years ago .... royalty for example ? |
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In The Know |
Innocent Accused wrote:
The problem here ITK as I and JK know too well is that reports of crimes are not looked at 'independantly'
any old fool can make an allegation,and instead of looking at it independantly it is as good as assumed to be true.
Can you explain ?
Who would be "independent" ?
What would this independent person / organisation do, that is not already done by the CPS ?
The allegations would still have to be tested, and you also have to realise that many other factors come into play too ... such as how convincing would the claimant be in Court etc ?
Its all down to the same thing .... is there enough evidence to convict !
Dont get me wrong - I think there is quite alot wrong with our present system, but cannot think of a better, fairer alternative - to both accuser (there ARE genuine accusers too, you know !) and defendant |
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