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Topic History of: Thoughts on Democracy from a Buddhist philospher (made me think of JK's comments on the subject)
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david	Prunella Minge wrote: As for democracy, as I've said before, it's a system that can only be founded upon a genuinely successful education system, and that's never been realised because too few people are willing to pay for it. I couldn't agree more.
david	Locked Out wrote: But David... Plato lived in an age when democracy - at least as we understand the idea today - was unheard of. I don't mean to be pedantic, but Plato's concepts of "democracy" had nothing in common with our own, and I'd assert that he was actually talking about something completely different. I'm only playing Devil's Advocate, of course, but your choice of philosopher is indulging in a little bit of duplicity in order to further his arguments. I take your point, LO. As far as I know Plato did not live in a democratic age. He was a disciple of Socrates tho, who had done. I also take your point that the Ancient Greek idea of democracy is not quite what we would understand by the word. But it was still considerably more democratic than what went before or after. I am no expert on Ancient Greece. I could of course look it all up on Wikipedia and pretend that I did But I shan't. I do think that the points that Ikeda makes and the connections he is making are extremely relevant to where we find ourselves today. 'Democracy' as Plato understood it may be rather different to what we think we have today, but for me the point is that- just like its predecessor- it has limits and dangers that are not acknowledged. It believes in itself far too much. I don't profess to be an expert on any of this, but like to explore ideas
Locked Out	But David... Plato lived in an age when democracy - at least as we understand the idea today - was unheard of. I don't mean to be pedantic, but Plato's concepts of "democracy" had nothing in common with our own, and I'd assert that he was actually talking about something completely different. I'm only playing Devil's Advocate, of course, but your choice of philosopher is indulging in a little bit of duplicity in order to further his arguments.
veritas	watched a local panel show Q&A last night with Jon Ronson (very good) , Kate Adie (boring) and a Slovenian Marxist philosopher Slavoj Zizek ( terrific) who basically said the exact same thing. We are entering into an unknown era and when Warren Buffett and George Soros join forces to express their dismay that capitalism is on the brink of collapse..
Prunella Minge	Communism has never been achieved. What we've witnessed are socialist states, supposedly, 'progressing' towards the goal of communism, and communism can't exist within an international capitalist system. Trotsky pointed that out and got a headache for his efforts. As for democracy, as I've said before, it's a system that can only be founded upon a genuinely successful education system, and that's never been realised because too few people are willing to pay for it.