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Topic History of: There ARE jobs out there !
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In The Know |
veritas wrote:
Governments and people need to accept the inevitable.. ..a social wage to start with..a payment whereby everyone can get the basics of life..food, rent and so on..that's if they want capitalism to survive. A social wage that comes with no stigmas attached, no Puritan guilt about not giving your time to an employer...no guilt about sleeping all day if that's your preference and no need for ITK to peer into bedroom windows..
The ultimate socialists dream - drag everything down to the lowest common denominator!
..... and WHO would pay for your loony utopia? |
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veritas |
you are indeed correct Fats.
a massive re-think is needed to combat a growing phenomena..mass unemployment in the 'West' as jobs shift to Asia via the great scam 'globalisation'.
In 20 years a job will be a privilege.
Just take one industry..publishing...it will be replaced by the internet and Kindles/Ipads etc...not much imagination is necessary to see how many jobs will vanish there.
Governments and people need to accept the inevitable.. ..a social wage to start with..a payment whereby everyone can get the basics of life..food, rent and so on..that's if they want capitalism to survive. A social wage that comes with no stigmas attached, no Puritan guilt about not giving your time to an employer...no guilt about sleeping all day if that's your preference and no need for ITK to peer into bedroom windows.
a job will be something you do to get greater spending power.
of course that's what we have now so it won't change until a brave politician thinks beyond the next daily news cycle. |
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Veritas, I'm not a lovely chap at all, I'm a nasty horrid fat monstrosity, and I understand what you are getting at, but thus far despite your figures, it hasn't worked, so I conclude they've got it horribly wrong. I refuse to believe that anyone leaves school with the intention of spending the rest of their days collecting benefit with nothing to look forward to and zero substance within their empty lives. No-one makes that choice, that choice is made for them...the combination of irresponsible parenting and incompetent government. And I don't just blame the Tories, as Labour were as equally hopeless.
No, I believe the system and the way we do things is magnificently bad, and a new approach is most certainly needed. In schools they fill their heads with 90% of junk that will be of no use to them whatsoever in the real world. That hasn't changed for decades.
I'm afraid Veritas, we need more investment if we wish the unemployed to be weaned off benefits, whatever the rights and wrongs of being welfare dependent, we have got to invest in people, training and completely overhaul the education system.
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veritas |
Both Tories and Noo Labour (Tory Lite) will not change the current system . They'll tinker at the edges to keep the ITK's and the far right happy.
Then when it all costs too much it will just quietly go back to how it's been for the past 30 years.
end of story..except for ITK who will still be peering in bedrooms windows to catch welfare mums snoozing...like that bus supervisor in On The Buses  |
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The Fat Controller wrote:
ITK...there was no welfare state 100 years ago when my Grandfather was born. My Grandfather once recalled children turning up at school with no shoes on their feet. Some of them so malnourished they had rickets. Do you wish to see a return to soup kitchens? Mass homelessness, deprivation, and in many cases starvation? And where does the money the unemployed receive go? It goes straight back into the system.
I concede that welfare dependency is a problem but that is the fault of Government, like that or not. If generations of people have gone straight from an education system (designed to keep them stupid)straight onto the dole then don't you think that is more by design rather than choice?
And if people such as yourself continually refer to the unemployed as being lazy and feckless who in god's name is going to employ them?
If you wish to see a change in the attitude of the long term unemployed you at first must see there needs to be a change in attitude from everyone.
Starving people out onto the streets is no way to go about it. Educating people and investing in people is most certainly the correct way to go. The latter isn't happening due to bad government. Benefit cuts are not going to get the vast majority back into work.
My own view is that the long term unemployed should be forced into further education and training...but that means investment. You can't have one without t'other.
Ah, FC ! Your heart is in the right place - I can see that.
You are a lovely chap - but there are people out there who will see that as weakness - and play on it !!!!
You say more investment is needed. How much more? Given that we currently invest around 100K in each child (education / healthcare) between birth and work age ... how much more do you think we need to spend? Another 150K? 200K? 500K?
And as the current 100K has failed to motivate these people - what makes you think another 150 / 200 / 500K would motivate them?
I'm reminded (by this discussion) of the sex education debate. In the 50s people were shocked by the number of pregnant teenagers. "They need education" they screamed - and so the sex education industry was born.
Each and every year since then we have spent more and more on education, free condoms, abortions, morning-after pills, drop-in centres, councillors, advisors etc etc - and the teenage pregnancy rated has increased in each and every year ! Some solution !!!!
What happened, of course, is that we took away people's responsibility for their own actions. We said "It doesn't matter - it's not your fault". Well ... it IS their fault. You are playing right into their hands by making their excuses for them.
We now have soup kitchens that hand out free meals (so people can spend their food money on scratch cards).
We now have charities that hand out warm winter clothes (so people can spend their clothing money on lottery tickets).
Have you ever noticed how these people (who can't feed their kids) ALL seem to have the latest mobile phone?
Have you noticed how they have no food in the larder, or carpets on the floor, yet ALL seem to have an 86" flat-screen TV with PlayStation?
But not to worry ... if things get tough they can always get themselves knocked-up again, then they can use the lump-sum maternity grant to buy a new X-Box !
You mention your grandfather. I always remember my grandmother being terrified of the workhouse. She never had much money but always managed to pay her way and ensure she was never in debt.
These people KNOW that if they dont feed themselves someone will come along .... They need teaching a lesson, and like my grandmother, they will have learnt a very useful lesson indeed. |
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